Discussion on professional design experience in process engineering – Recommended for beginners

I disagree with the first point: without software, one can only rely on experience for estimation, and the experience available in China is based on outdated methods borrowed from foreign companies such as UOP in the past. If people still consider that to be the truth, it will really make foreign competitors laugh out loud. The second paragraph supports the idea that becoming a competent process engineer is indeed not something that can be achieved in just a short time, nor can it be covered by a few courses alone. Let’s encourage each other.

It’s very apt; I agree as well. Especially those born in the 1980s in the workplace – they have many advantages, but also many disadvantages.

Times are progressing, and technology is also advancing; what was true in the past is not necessarily true anymore

The original author’s experience-based remarks don’t necessarily mean what you think. Many of China’s oil refining designs are copied, but there is a difference between different forms of copying. I remember that when I was in school, my classmates would copy each other’s homework; some would copy it verbatim, while others would read the original problems first and then make corrections to what they were copying. The same is true in refinery design – by copying others’ designs, one can gradually improve upon their own shortcomings and process the information obtained from those designs. In fact, every engineering designer has this experience: it’s impossible to design every facility personally and gain a thorough understanding of them all. To some extent, it’s appropriate to draw on and learn from others’ experience, but it’s necessary to use one’s own knowledge to evaluate that experience, taking the best aspects and discarding the worst. Additionally, designers need to go to the site, which means they must have an intuitive, three-dimensional understanding of the site in their minds, so as to avoid creating designs that are based solely on theory. It sounds good in theory, but things don’t work that way once construction begins. . . .

Hearing your words is truly better than ten years of study

That’s great to hear; I’ve really benefited from it. It’s amazing though how tough it is to study craftsmanship – the salaries are really pitifully low compared to those in other fields

Well said; it’s worth taking as a reference.

What the original poster said is a bit vague! What are the standards for process engineers? People born in the 1980s are not as good as those born in the 1960s and 1970s, but it can’t be said that everyone born in those decades was good. I have no idea what the original poster is talking about.

I’m just a beginner – give me some motivation! The microcosm is about to explode!

Although the specialties are different, the tasks involved have similarities. It seems that there are no true process engineers in the company at present, because even for the simplest designs, people still turn to design firms – and the reason is simple: they don’t want to take on sole responsibility.

I think the young people there are really great. These days, many graduates are afraid of not learning anything and rush to take on tasks; as for such people, they seem to be left aside, and over time they naturally realize they need to find ways to learn

I have been working for four years now, and I still find process design to be somewhat complex; I’m ashamed of that

It’s very practical; there are things that can be used as a reference, but more effort is still needed

One minute on stage requires ten years of practice off stage!

It’s very practical; I’ve encountered similar situations myself, I’m ashamed~~~~~~~~~~

We purchase foreign process packages directly (which serve as the framework) and have SEI carry out the detailed design (which is equivalent to the decoration work). :lol

I’ve just graduated as a college student, and I have many thoughts. . . .

Don’t say that people born in the 1980s are inferior to those from other generations; people born in the 1960s and 1970s ate even more than those born in the 1980s by 10 to 20 years. Not to mention in terms of technology – if people born in the 1980s still lack skills at that age, it’s a problem on their part. Right now, those born in the 1980s are in the process of learning; there has to be a period of development. We can’t judge them all negatively; such an attitude probably won’t lead to any good works in design either! This post was last edited by wjknze on 2008-3-4 12:40]

What was said on the 23rd floor is correct – whether one is diligent depends on the individual, not on whether they were born in the 1980s, 1970s, or 1960s. I was born in the 1980s, and there are many people from that generation around me; we’re all quite hardworking. How can one make money to buy a house, a car, and marry a wife if they’re not hardworking? It’s better to have a single house; people born in the 1980s face quite a lot of pressure.