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Which has a higher level of technical complexity, polyethylene or polypropylene? Which has better prospects? (Participation earns a prize! )

2009-02-05View Original

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As the title suggests, I saw this question elsewhere and am not clear about it. Come and ask. Which has a higher level of technical complexity, polyethylene or polypropylene? Which has better prospects? Now we need to choose one of these two sets of devices to work with. Is that set more technically challenging? 1 This post was last edited by sister on 2009-2-6 01:15 ]
Reply #22009-02-05
As far as I know, there have been a great many polyethylene projects across the country since the mid-to-late 1990s to the present, but there are relatively fewer polypropylene projects; the complexity of the manufacturing processes is likely similar in both cases. Therefore, from the perspective that rarity makes a product more valuable, polypropylene is certainly better. I hope to see deeper and more professional analysis.
Reply #32009-02-05
 Polyethylene is odorless, non-toxic, and has excellent low-temperature resistance. It has good chemical stability, can resist the erosion of most acids and bases, and possesses excellent electrical insulation properties ; However, polyethylene is very sensitive to environmental stresses (chemical and mechanical effects), and it has poor resistance to heat aging. It is the variety with the highest production volume among general synthetic resins. It is mainly used to manufacture films, containers, pipes, filaments, wires and cables, as well as daily necessities, and can also be used as a high-frequency insulating material for televisions, radars, etc. Polypropylene is non-toxic and odorless, with a low density. Its strength, stiffness, hardness, and heat resistance are superior to those of low-pressure PE. It possesses good electrical properties and high-frequency insulation capabilities that are not affected by humidity. However, it becomes brittle at low temperatures, is not wear-resistant, and ages easily. It is suitable for manufacturing general mechanical parts, corrosion-resistant parts, and insulating parts. Common acids, bases, and organic solvents have little effect on it, making it suitable for use with tableware. It is lighter than polyethylene. It also has better transparency than polyethylene and is stiffer than polyethylene. Both types of resins have their advantages; personally, I think PE has a better outlook. It has the highest production volume among synthetic resins, is developing the fastest, and sees the most active development of new varieties. I’m not very familiar with market trends, so I hope other experienced individuals can offer some guidance~
Reply #42009-02-05
Polypropylene is a polymer of propylene; its English name is polypropylene, abbreviated as PP. A polymer formed by the polymerization of a single monomer is called a homopolymer. Uncolored polypropylene PP is white and translucent, with a waxy texture; It is lighter than polyethylene. It also has better transparency than polyethylene and is stiffer than polyethylene. Common products: basins, barrels, furniture, films, woven bags, bottle caps, car bumpers, etc. Polyethylene is the most important downstream product of ethylene; unpainted polyethylene PE is milky white and translucent, with a waxy texture ; The product feels smooth to the touch, soft and flexible ; It can stretch a little. Generally, low-density polyethylene is softer and has better transparency ; High-density polyethylene is harder. Polyethylene (PE) accounts for 70% of global polyolefin consumption, 44% of total thermoplastic general-purpose plastic consumption, and 52% of the world’s ethylene production. Polyethylene is generally divided into three main categories: high-pressure low-density polyethylene (LDPE), high-density polyethylene (HDPE), and linear low-density polyethylene (LLDPE). Films are its main products for processing, followed by sheets and coatings, hollow containers such as bottles, cans, and barrels, as well as various other injection-molded and blow-molded products, and the insulation and sheathing for pipes and wires and cables. It is mainly used in industries such as packaging, agriculture, and transportation. Compared to other countries in the world, China uses more LDPE and LLDPE for agricultural films. Our country is the world’s largest producer of agricultural plastic films, which is determined by its status as a major agricultural nation. Due to competition from LLDPE, demand for LDPE remains low. The penetration of LLDPE into the LLDPE/LDPE combined market continued to rise year by year, reaching 50% in 2006. This indicates that in 2007, global demand for LLDPE exceeded that for LDPE for the first time. Demand for LDPE is expected to remain stable due to the competitive pricing between traditional LLDPE and second-generation LLDPE. LLDPE maintained its position as the fastest-growing polyolefin, with demand expected to grow by 6.6% in 2007. As a long-term outlook, the global annual growth rate will be above 5% from 2007 to 2025. Single-active-center/metallocenter LLDPE continues to grow at a rapid pace (the global LLDPE growth rate is expected to reach 13% in 2007). These resins account for about 12% of the world’s LLDPE demand, with the United States remaining the largest market. Regionally, Asia, especially China, shows a consistent pattern of positive growth in polyethylene and polypropylene. The overall consumption growth rate of polyethylene in Asia (excluding Japan) is expected to be 7.1% per year during the period 2007–2015, while the growth rate for polypropylene will be 7.0%. During the period 1991–2005, LDPE production capacity increased to a peak of nearly 400,000 tons per year. In some years, including 2003 and 2004, the net increase in capacity was actually zero. In this regard, 2006 and 2007 showed reasonable capacity growth. However, this was just the beginning of the LDPE capacity expansion boom from 2008 to 2012. Although there is still some uncertainty regarding the date of commencement of operations, most of the production capacity is already under construction. Unlike the slow growth in LDPE capacity, the combined capacity of LLDPE and HDPE increased at an average rate of 2 million tons per year from 1995 to 2007. Following the strong period of capacity between 1999 and 2001, capacity saw some growth from 2003 to 2007. As for LDPE, there will be a wave of capacity expansion from 2008 to 2012. The situation for polypropylene is similar to that of LLDPE and HDPE. Between 1995 and 2007, the capacity for polypropylene increased at an average rate of around 1.9 million tons per year. An analysis of the increase in production capacity shows that polypropylene follows a distinct investment cycle, with the period of below-average capacity growth extending from 2002 to 2005. Therefore, this helps to keep global polypropylene capacity utilization at a high level. 2007 was the year with the highest net increase in global capacity over the past seven years, with new capacity reaching its peak in 2009 and 2010. In the future, the increase in production capacity is expected to ease off, until the second half of the next decade, when the investment boom will subside.
Reply #52009-02-05
Our company has had PP plants for several years, and we are currently building an PE plant. The raw materials for the two are different (one is propylene, the other is ethylene), and their areas of use also differ. There are many factors to consider when creating a new set of equipment; decisions must be made by weighing aspects such as the availability of raw materials, technical maturity, environmental impact, downstream users, and sales markets.
Reply #62009-02-05
Polyethylene technology is quite mature! So, overall, polypropylene is still more difficult!
Reply #72009-02-05
Just based on current production levels, PP is still better. PE production has increased significantly in recent years: Zhenhai Refining & Chemical produces 450,000 tons, while Shenyang Paraffin Group produces 100,000 tons, with more projects under construction. In addition, Mitsubishi and Lanhua have operations in operation, and Shenhua also has PE projects. According to the law of value, larger quantities result in lower prices. PP Zhenhai Refining & Chemical also has it; I’m not very familiar with the others. Technically, PE is already quite mature, with comprehensive process package data available. It's just my personal opinion. This post was last edited by amici on 2009-2-5 23:38.]
Reply #82009-02-06
It’s definitely polypropylene; our company has a set of it, and it delivers great results!
Reply #92009-02-06
I’m not in the plastics industry; I work in metallurgy. In terms of our zinc industry, more polyethylene is used
Reply #102009-02-06
Regarding investment in equipment at present, I think the cost for polyethylene is lower than that for polypropylene; therefore, the difficulty involved is also less than that with polypropylene.
Reply #112009-02-06
Relatively speaking, polyethylene is far more dependent on oil than polypropylene; from a long-term investment perspective, investing in polypropylene is a better choice than investing in polyethylene.
Reply #122009-02-06
Of course, polyethylene is relatively less difficult to produce, as its manufacturing process is simpler compared to the slurry process. I have a pilot-scale unit for gas-phase polyethylene fluidized bed production, as well as a pilot-scale unit for loop-type slurry polypropylene production; in terms of the process flow, polyethylene is much simpler. From a market perspective, demand for both is high, with polyethylene having more applications.
Reply #132009-02-06
Polypropylene; my classmate works in this field. The benefits are good. Moreover, the sales of its downstream products are also good. But there are also many domestic manufacturers.
Reply #142009-02-06
It’s really hard to say; each has its advantages. A large amount of each is required. If the poster is dealing with the raw materials in the initial stage, then all of them should work fine
Reply #152009-02-06
Uncolored polyethylene PE is milky white, translucent, and waxy in appearance; The product feels smooth to the touch, soft and flexible ; It can stretch a little. Generally, low-density polyethylene is softer and has better transparency ; High-density polyethylene is harder. Common products: handbags, water pipes, oil drums, beverage bottles (milk bottles), daily necessities, etc. Polyethylene is the most produced and widely used thermoplastic among plastics; it is formed by the polymerization of ethylene, is a partially crystalline material, and can be processed using the standard molding methods for thermoplastics. Polyethylene can be divided into three main categories: high-density polyethylene, low-density polyethylene, and linear low-density polyethylene. Due to its low cost, availability, and ease of molding, polyethylene is widely used in various products; however, packaging materials represent the largest application area, accounting for over 60% of its uses. High-density polyethylene is mainly used in packaging films, bottles, and hollow containers ; The main uses of low-density polyethylene are packaging films and agricultural films ; Linear low-density polyethylene is mainly used in films, film-molded products, pipes, and wires and cables. Polypropylene PP is white and translucent when uncolored, with a waxy texture ; It is lighter than polyethylene. It also has better transparency than polyethylene and is stiffer than polyethylene. Common products: basins, barrels, furniture, films, woven bags, bottle caps, car bumpers, etc. This is what I know; I’m not familiar with the technical aspects of this! In terms of their uses, both have a fairly wide range of applications, making it difficult to determine which one has better prospects!
Reply #162009-02-06
It should be polypropylene. Among the current products, high-quality ones generally use a combination of PP and PC; PP boasts excellent heat resistance and hygienic properties. Compared to PP, PE has poorer processability, which limits its applications.
Reply #172009-02-06
Theoretically, they’re not high, but it’s not easy to do well either. For example, mLLDPE cannot be produced well domestically, and ultra-transparent PP is also not feasible to manufacture at home.
Reply #182009-02-06
I don’t understand this, but personally I think it comes down to technical difficulty and economic benefits... The polyethylene industry is mature, with low technical costs; however, the production volume is high, leading to fierce competition in terms of economic profits; There may be fewer technologies related to polypropylene, and its production volume is low, so competition in the market might not be very fierce... As for which product to choose, it might depend on the development level of a company... If it is a large or medium-sized state-owned enterprise, polypropylene could be a good option; whereas for small chemical companies, polyethylene might be more suitable... The above are just my personal opinions, purely speculative, and I bear no responsibility for them! ! !
Reply #192009-02-06
Polypropylene is a good choice; our company is preparing to produce 300,000 tons of polypropylene
Reply #202009-02-06
To decide which device to use, one first needs to consider what conditions they have. Typical refineries don’t even have ethylene available if they want to produce polyethylene. In these two years, a considerable number of polypropylene production facilities were put into operation, especially in 2009 and 2010. China’s PP production capacity reached 6.8 million tons in total, and by 2010, the overall PP production volume had risen to 13 million tons. At the same time, a large number of facilities in the Middle East will also come online in 2009 and 2010; their products being priced very low will have a significant impact on the domestic market. Additionally, it is necessary to take a look at the situation in the downstream processing market. The Pearl River Delta region is nearing saturation, and the Yangtze River Delta is in a similar situation. At present, PP and PE products are mainly of low-grade varieties with low added value; competition is bound to intensify in the future. In my opinion, to overcome such a complex situation, it is necessary to increase efforts in the development of specialized materials and high-value-added grades. After all, our country is a major producer of home appliances, automobiles, and building materials, with high consumption levels; these products also have high requirements regarding plastics. We should move away from the pattern of solely producing T30S and T36F, with refineries focusing on the production of ordinary homopolymer products, while ethylene-based plants concentrate on producing copolymers and specialized materials. A rational allocation of products and filling the gap in high-end grades as soon as possible are the way forward.
Reply #212009-02-06
Agree with what was said above. Focus on developing higher-grade products, and strive to understand and advance the introduced technologies. Only by thoroughly mastering the introduced technologies and developing new applications for polyolefins, even if that means replacing half of the current import volume, can there be a path forward.

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