Educational requirements of the design institute

Dedication, sense of responsibility, attention to detail, and willingness to work hard – a graduate’s education proves that they are better in these aspects than undergraduates, right? Graduates have more ambition than undergraduates…… Their learning abilities are stronger than those of undergraduates…… Graduates are better at solving problems independently than undergraduates…… The average English level of graduates is higher than that of undergraduates…… Graduates work harder than undergraduates…… Graduates are smarter than undergraduates…… Do you really think that everyone in design firms is stupid? That’s too naive, isn’t it? This post was last edited by automation_njut on 2009-2-17 at 14:52

There are many tasks that most people are able to do. The problem is, there are too many Chinese people; what you need to prove is not that you’re capable of doing the job, but that you’re better than others.

If a degree isn’t required, sometimes I wonder whether it’s necessary to go to college. Not much knowledge is truly acquired in college.

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There are many who enter design institutes after completing their undergraduate studies:o

It’s obvious that the truth is clear: there are only three types of people who manage to get into graduate school – those who work very hard, those who are very intelligent, and those who are both hardworking and intelligent! Everyone takes the exam, and everyone wants to pass it. If someone else gets a higher score than you, that tells us a lot…… Is there anything easier than the graduate school entrance exam? If one can’t handle simple tasks, then what about more difficult ones?

Senior, please don’t get upset. Let me tell you: today’s graduate students aren’t even as competent as the undergraduates from your time...... As for today’s undergraduates? They’re basically equivalent to the high school students of your era...... In your time, could those who failed high school still get jobs in design firms? Do you know what those college kids do these days? In the classrooms, every morning, they manage to collect a basket full of toilet paper and condoms......... Please don’t get angry, and don’t rush to encourage anyone – there’s no point in discussing this...... The job market situation is clear: even if you manage to convince me, can those undergraduates really get jobs in design firms? If it were you hiring people, would you dare to hire undergraduates? Their resumes alone would be enough to defeat you...... :lol :lol :lol

But now, the entry requirement for good design institutes is a master’s degree

You can’t put it that way; the most senior members in our company didn’t even go to college. **The people we selected are doing very well now – their skills are quite high!** ! I know you get upset easily; it’s been such a long time now, and I’ve read so many of your posts that my eyes have even developed calluses. I’m used to everything by now. I’d like to say a few words about the current education system as well: if you want to find a job, then start looking for one early. If you pursue graduate studies with the aim of finding a job, then it might be better not to do it at all... If you think you have what it takes for research work, then I support you; I hope you can complete your Ph.D. in one go and achieve something significant. As everyone knows, there are eight spots available for admission without an entrance exam, but at most six people apply – that’s just how it is in reality. . . That’s how it is in reality – what graduate students learn isn’t as much as what they can gain from one year of work experience. It’s not that graduate education is bad; after all, it’s still a form of higher education, and graduates are certainly more competent than undergraduates. As for what was said on floor 9, although it’s extreme, there’s some truth to it. Don’t complain either – companies hire graduate students instead of undergraduates. Yes, graduate students may not necessarily be better than undergraduates, but their educational background serves as proof of their competence ； The educational attainment of postgraduate students is generally higher than that of undergraduates; if it weren’t, there would be serious problems with China’s education system. I’ve already posted about this before: there are differences between different institutions, as well as significant differences within the same institution’s various programs. The quality of students also varies from one program to another. We can’t say that China’s education system is poor just because of a few individuals. Besides, you on floor 9 are also educated, right? And you’re doing quite well, aren’t you? Don’t say you are the only survivor of such an education. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :L, enough~~~~ Let’s all calm down; once we’ve vented our emotions, we can get back to working properly! ! ! PS: The original poster is an honest person............................. This post was last edited by happyboy1814 on 2009-2-18 at 11:46.]

Let me say a few words. Actually, whether it’s graduate students or undergraduates, their levels aren’t that different (PS. I’m a graduate student), but it’s definitely much better than junior college and other similar programs. As for why the requirement is to have a graduate degree, the reason is obvious: there are plenty of graduates available, so it makes sense to choose them; at least they won’t be any worse than undergraduates, right?

Indeed, this is also a problem related to the education system and the employment system

It is precisely because employers are the dominant group while employees are always the weaker party that I am posting this to show support for young people who have difficulty finding jobs during the economic crisis. I just want to say that undergraduates are fully capable of handling most of the work in design institutes. Under these circumstances, shouldn’t everyone do the same? I didn’t expect it to trigger a discussion about the idea that graduate students are necessarily better than undergraduates. If we are to discuss who is stronger and who is weaker, please open a separate thread on the second floor titled “The Last Ancient Person”.

The fact is that the current employment landscape has prompted employers to raise the requirements for candidates; otherwise, with so many applicants available, the process of screening would become a burden. As a result, raising these requirements has become one of the most common tactics used by employers. Yesterday they might be looking for undergraduates, today they might prefer graduates, and tomorrow they might require that candidates have their degrees from 211 universities... It’s less about employers’ emphasis on academic qualifications and more about the fact that educational institutions are not yet able to provide evidence of students’ skills and practical abilities that is more valuable than academic degrees. If such a certificate really existed, educational qualifications would no longer have a monopoly on the job market.

I’ve already said it before: past educational qualifications and those of today are not the same thing. As the people before me mentioned, there were many secondary school graduates who were very good at design work back then. But can secondary school graduates get jobs in design firms these days? As for postgraduate students, they certainly aren’t as attractive as they used to be; but when I took my exams, there wasn’t a single undergraduate who wouldn’t pursue further studies. The situation back then was completely different from today. Even now, in times of crisis, look around – which undergraduate would refuse an opportunity to continue their studies through a recommendation? I think that’s quite inconsistent with reality. As for whether one can learn anything from pursuing a postgraduate degree, I fully agree with your view that indeed little is learned. But I still believe that postgraduate students are essentially outstanding undergraduates who just delay starting their careers by three years. The work in design firms is actually quite simple, and no postgraduate degree is necessary. But, bro, the reality is that the major design firms under the Ministry of Chemical Industry prefer freshly graduated postgraduate students over undergraduates with some work experience. That’s the truth, and there’s a reason behind such behavior. It’s because although those firm leaders know that postgraduate students waste three years, and that undergraduates study for three extra years, they think postgraduate students are smarter and more diligent, so they prefer to train them from scratch...... Am I telling the truth? Everyone’s views are greatly influenced by their qualities, position, and perspective. If you dismiss someone’s views as extreme just because they differ from those of most people, then you’re being narrow-minded. To determine who’s right or wrong, and whose views align better with reality, we need to rely on facts, logic, and data. What makes sense logically is correct, even if most people don’t agree. It’s important to present arguments clearly and directly.

Work experience is something that everyone has, but three years ago, you were already dismissed by someone else – that’s the fact... A master’s degree isn’t really worth much, but then again, is being a civil servant such a difficult job? That’s how society works: if you graduate with a bachelor’s degree and manage to do as well as those who have master’s degrees after three years, it’s because of your skills, and I have nothing to say about that. What I want to say is that one should always think ahead; just because you earn more now doesn’t mean that pursuing a master’s degree is a foolish decision. There’s still time ahead, and many things will become clear only in the future. Those in higher positions can see further, and they know exactly what’s going on........... Look at the standards for hiring in companies these days – they’re quite clear already........ Last edited by Chen Guanxi on 2009-2-18 11:02]

What is extremism? It refers to opinions that are different from one’s own............ But just because something is different from others’ views does not mean it is wrong........... Many opinions that differ from others’ views are considered crazy by most people at first........... But what determines right from wrong? It is whether something conforms to facts and logic, not whether many people agree with it............ Just like in the argument we had last time: I said that people who smoke have low moral standards, while you disagreed and supported that graduate student who smoked. What happened? When I presented the data, that graduate student left silently........... This shows the difference in moral standards between us; we graduate students have received rigorous training in research. No matter what our initial opinions might be, if what someone else says is correct, backed by evidence and data, we will accept it and change our previous wrong views........... This is what we learn from research. Perhaps we won’t have the opportunity to continue working in research in the future, but we have learned to view the world rationally........... When we hear opinions different from our own, we won’t reject them outright just because our pride is hurt, or label those opinions as extreme........... We also won’t use individual examples to refute others’ views. We will do our best to address issues in an impartial manner, whether it comes to people or matters........... As you said, out of 8 spots available for direct admission, only 6 people are willing to enroll........... Is this a phenomenon specific to certain schools, certain majors, or certain periods, or is it a widespread issue across the country? I don’t need to say more; I believe everyone knows that truly qualified people would never use such data........... Such examples prove nothing at all........... and they are completely untrustworthy.

Is there anything else to say upstairs? I have a question for you: why did you register so many accounts? Why not use your……account? I won’t list your accounts. Last edited by happyboy1814 on 2009-2-18 11:43.]

Actually, I view pursuing a master’s degree as just one phase in life, because life is long; three years of work experience really doesn’t count much in the context of a long career! There’s no need to discuss whether one can learn anything in a master’s program, as it is merely one stage in life. I pursued graduate studies definitely not because I couldn’t find a job after graduating from undergraduate, as I was the first in my class to secure a job at that time! Those who are admitted to graduate school are not necessarily smarter than others, but it at least proves that we are more patient and more persistent than those who did not pursue further education! I think for those in design, patience and perseverance are also very important!