automation_njut, I want to say a few words to you; come in if you’d like to
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1. I’m just an ordinary person; I’ve had dreams and strived hard as well. But life always has its own path for each individual. It would be great if everyone could succeed, but I think you understand that not everyone fails because they lack ambition. 2. Regarding what you said about our teachers in these so-called low-quality colleges, I really don’t quite understand; where do your opinions come from? Regarding the issue of employment, it is a common social phenomenon. But one thing you need to understand is that those of us who graduate from inferior colleges aren’t necessarily worthless once we enter society! They’re not necessarily any worse than you, so-called elite of the realm! 3. You said that other teachers face pressure related to advancing in their careers, but we teachers at junior colleges aren’t under any such pressure, right? ? It’s ridiculous! Our students are facing greater pressure! Employment pressure! Do you know what we teachers do for our students? We arrange job placements for students every semester, hold job fairs for them each year, and are working tirelessly to help students find employment at all times! Do you know how sad we feel when students say they can’t find a job? And do you know how much we want our students to embark on a successful path as soon as they graduate? ? But things are different now; it’s no longer the era of a planned economy, a time when undergraduates, master’s students, or even doctoral graduates might not be able to find jobs after graduating. Tell me, how can you guarantee that your students will have an easy time entering society? ! ! ! You may not be aware of the pressures that vocational education is facing these days. Do you know how many students in China compete for limited opportunities each year? And how many students each year fail to get into those prestigious universities that you consider important? If it weren’t for these poor-quality schools, those students who want to go to college but can’t pass the entrance exams, who will provide them with a way out? ? ? ? ! ! ! 4. You say we don’t work at desks? ? How did you know? ? ? How do you know we don’t work in an office? ? Do you have the ability to foresee the future? It’s still nonsense, pure nonsense! Not only do we have to work during the day, but we also take turns checking the student dormitories at night, and we are required to be on duty in the office at night to protect the school’s property! How do you know we don’t work less than 8 hours a day?! I have 24 classes per week, three shifts, and I spend time preparing lessons on both Saturdays and Sundays. Do you know all of this? ? ! ! ! 5. You said that no students would be as grateful to us as they are to their high school teachers after graduating, which left me even more puzzled. Where did you get that conclusion from? Quite a few of my students maintain contact with me after graduation; many of them send me greetings and wishes on holidays. How dare you say my students are not grateful to me! ! ! ! ! ! 6. From what you say, it seems you hold university professors in low regard! But don’t forget, you were once a student too, and you might have attended university as well. The state of education in China is not satisfactory, but is that why you attack a teacher? ! ! ! If I want to get rich, why not become a teacher! If I wanted to get rich, I would never become a teacher either! Can’t one talk about money just because they bear the title of teacher? ? ? Is a teacher meant to be detached from the realities of the world? ? ? Should a teacher have to keep such grievances to themselves just because they can’t get their meager salary? ? ? Should a teacher, who complains about not receiving the wages they deserve for their work, have to put up with the sarcasm from someone like you, a so-called elite individual? ? ? ! ! ! 7. As for the term \"kechou,\" I don’t know how to express it. I’m in a bad mood and didn’t really think carefully about whether it’s correct or not. But I want to tell you that both \"kechou\" and \"kechou\" are terms used in China. I’m not an expert in classical Chinese, so there’s no need for me to carefully consider the correctness of each character. Moreover, this isn’t a formal occasion; even if I get a character wrong, it shouldn’t be a reason for someone like you to mock me! This post was last edited by coolbar on 2009-2-17 21:42]
OP, calm down; there might be a small misunderstanding! Are everyone in the same forum to help each other!
There’s no misunderstanding. People like him are despised by me from the bottom of my heart; not only do they despise me, but they also despise China’s education system. If you really have the ability, then go ahead and make an effort to improve China’s education system and change its current state. This post was last edited by yingjun.z on 2009-2-17 22:42]
Please calm down, OP. Ah, hehe. I think most of our teachers are very dedicated and caring about their students.
I might not have paid much attention to the lower-ranking teachers in universities before... Looking back now, it’s true that these teachers have many complaints; their treatment is indeed poor, especially compared to those who work outside universities... To be honest, I really dislike those professors who manage to ‘make a name for themselves’ in universities. I feel sympathy for your situation as well... In Chinese universities, the differences in teachers’ salaries are indeed very large... After reading your words, I think you must have a high level of education, as I can see that you have excellent qualities... However, as a graduate student, it’s quite normal to hate one’s supervisor, and to see many of one’s peers hating other supervisors as well. The term “boss” is enough to explain a lot... So, I hope you can understand my hatred toward university teachers. Although I may have gained far more from Chinese universities than I gave, what I want to say is that whether it’s poor teaching assistants, lecturers, or detestable professors and supervisors... none of these life paths are what I desire... Therefore, I don’t agree with your choice of career... If one doesn’t plan for the future, they will surely face problems soon... If you regret your choices from years ago, if you feel pain because of them, I think you’re not mature enough, or not wise enough. To some extent, your choices were failures... To be honest, I don’t know if you still have a chance to change your life path... I don’t understand why you chose to stay in school and pursue a graduate degree. Maybe it was because you had confidence in yourself and hoped for a better future for your country. But pursuing a doctorate or staying in school after graduating from graduate school, in my opinion, is an attempt to avoid reality. It’s probably a sign of lack of courage... I can’t imagine a graduate student who sees his supervisor as ignorant and deceitful, someone who lives off the hard work of others, while all his students despise and hate him, still choosing to follow that same path... A person who can’t evaluate his own life positively won’t be able to change his negative mood no matter how much money he has. It’s difficult for such a person to live happily, let alone live a long life... People should support themselves and, while taking care of themselves, help others as much as possible... To be honest, for someone with a proper education, university teachers certainly aren’t respected... Your salary reflects your contribution to society. In a society like China, it may also reflect your social status... If what you say makes sense, even if it’s different from what I thought, I won’t be upset about it... Your post was quickly removed by the moderators, probably to avoid trouble. But there was no need for that... What you wrote, although different from what I initially thought, was almost completely correct... What I wrote earlier was incorrect; it was subjective and not based on facts. And worst of all, I even attacked you. It was my mistake... I apologize to you... At the same time, I want to express my gratitude to you, because you’ve helped me learn things I didn’t know before, or at least things I hadn’t paid attention to. Many of my friends who are teachers are very frustrated, but I hadn’t noticed that... Thank you... I’ll give you points later. I have to go attend training now...
Thanks also to ----------- sister for sending me the link. The moderator could actually unlock his post; what he wrote is really good... and what he said is also correct...... It’s me who’s wrong... Hehe......... :lol :lol :lol
If you are automation_njut yourself, then I accept your apology. I am also aware of those hypocritical “professors” you mentioned, and I fully agree with the views you expressed. However, I don’t want you to hold preconceptions against all teachers. It is an undeniable fact that the title of university professor has long lost its original and deserved prestige. Yet even if there are two or three responsible teachers among ten, that should be enough reason for you to put aside your biases.
Both are passionate by nature, with forceful words yet still maintaining grace! I merged these two posts into one. I hope that all fellow sailors can gain a deeper and more comprehensive understanding of university professors as well as the current university education system. As the saying goes, truth becomes clear only through discussion; no agreement can be reached without “argument.” I hope that both of you, as well as other netizens who are interested in this matter, can gain something from it! Thank you! wyg1004
Actually, I’ve always been annoyed by Chen Guanxi or automation_njut; it seems like they are the same person, but acting in two different ways. Extreme self-confidence naturally turns into narcissism. There are actually plenty of people with abilities. If he looks down on university professors one day and then on undergraduate students the next, who does he look up to? Maybe only he himself! Perhaps you have unknowingly become an outsider; you must be quite old by now, so I suggest you reflect on it.
I won’t respond to this person; their words cannot benefit me at all. If I were to reply to the original poster, I’d say that, honestly, I’m just an ordinary person who can barely take care of myself. How could I possibly bring about changes in China’s universities or influence its professors? That’s not my capability. There are things I can’t do, so I refrain from trying them and leave them to those who are capable of doing them... After all, as the saying goes, it’s better to avoid situations you can’t handle. You think you can make a difference, but in the end you end up failing, and not only does it achieve nothing, but you also risk harming yourself – which is not good for anyone, right? This is true not only for being a teacher but also for conducting research. Aren’t many talented people from the Chinese Academy of Sciences emigrating abroad? So, as I’ve said before, before making any decisions, one should first understand oneself and the realities of the outside world, and do what’s within one’s capabilities. While seeking benefits for oneself, one should also try to be beneficial to others as much as possible. I see the flaws in China’s education system, but I feel powerless to change it, so I choose to stay out of it. I think that’s a good approach... It doesn’t mean that just because I lack the ability to change things, I lose the right to express my opinions, right? Hehe... It’s better to discuss things rationally; there’s no need for personal attacks like those made by the person above... This post was last edited by automation_njut on 2009-2-19 11:29
What I say might be an exaggeration as well. The former dean of our college was probably someone who truly pursued knowledge... I never had any dealings with him before, but he attended my thesis defense... The next day, he met me at the school gate, patted my back and said, “You should pursue a Ph.D.” But I refused... To be honest, I no longer have much hope for many things... When I was younger, it wasn’t like this; my views on many things were exactly the same as those of those who attacked me on HC. But that was in the past... People always grow up, or rather, get older. To those young people on HC, I want to say that your views will surely change in the future. They may not change in the same way as mine, and that’s natural. But if your views on the same matters remain unchanged after many years, then such a life is actually sad... I won’t get angry over your insults; all I feel is sympathy and pity, nothing more... Also, OP—“ Class planning” is a great choice of words. It’s just that my own foundation in classical Chinese isn’t solid enough. I really like these two words; they suit my taste. Thank you, OP, for teaching me.. :lol :lol :lol This post was last edited by automation_njut on 2009-2-19 11:31
I read the original poster’s seven points from beginning to end again, and indeed I couldn’t find any faults in them... I don’t know whether you have a doctorate, a master’s degree, or are just an undergraduate; it’s possible that your university isn’t very good... I also don’t know if you have a permanent position there, as that makes a big difference... It’s quite frustrating to stay in university without obtaining a doctorate... If your school is a junior college, it probably doesn’t offer doctoral programs, and I wonder if your school will allow you to pursue a doctorate. Overall, it seems like the original poster’s prospects aren’t very good; if they really can’t tolerate poverty, things will only get more frustrating as time goes by... If you’re still young, it might be better to start working in a company – continuing like this isn’t a viable option... It is said that due to family planning policies, the number of fresh graduates taking the college entrance exam is decreasing year by year. Since your school isn’t that good, what will happen if it can no longer recruit students in a few years?
Such a harmonious forum~~~ and yet people start arguing with each other~~
Embrace all streams; learn together*, improve together! I sent a message to the guy whose name starts with A on a whim; it’s really satisfying to see such an outcome for both of them! As the saying goes, “If you try to force flowers to bloom, they won’t; but if you plant willows carelessly, they will still provide shade!” ”Once again, thanks to Hai Chuan for his tolerance and generosity!
My dear friends, please don’t get upset; there are some things that cannot be changed.
Just one thing: men should use their main ID from the start; stop using fake accounts to deceive others. Also, Nanjing University of Technology is a great school – don’t bring shame upon President Ouyang. This post was last edited by Mingmei de Yangsuo on 2009-2-20 at 09:19
Since you yourself are aware of your limitations, why attack and insult others? Everyone shares responsibility for social issues, but do you think it’s excessive to look down on someone who needs sympathy, understanding, and care? If the road is uneven, everyone should help level it! You need to learn from this in the future! There is nothing better than knowing one’s faults and being able to correct them! Also, aren’t you tired from switching accounts back and forth? Being a fence-sitter is not fun at all. Reeds by the wall have heavy tops and light bottoms with shallow roots; bamboo shoots in the mountains have sharp tips, thick skins, and hollow insides. If there’s too much, I won’t punish you anymore – it’s still possible to turn back! We’re all sea friends; let’s understand and support each other!