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“Which discipline is more appropriate for designing the “equipment layout”?

2009-04-01View Original

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Which specialty is responsible for designing the equipment layout? Domestic design institutes generally follow two approaches: A. Designing it by the process systems team, or B. Designing it by the piping team. Which approach do you think is more reasonable? Please share your opinions... This post was last edited by hutom123 on 2009-4-3 08:18.]
Reply #22009-04-01
1. It is inevitable that the design should be carried out by the process systems team; the layout of equipment and pipelines must first meet the process requirements, especially as the stress calculations for the pipelines need to comply with the process specifications. 2. In fact, the process system and piping specialties belong to the same field. 3. Of course, it is best if it can be designed by one or a few professionals who are skilled in several areas.
Reply #32009-04-01
It is usually the process engineering department that handles the planning, as the primary requirement in design is to meet the needs of the manufacturing process; if those needs cannot be satisfied, what purpose does the design serve then?
Reply #42009-04-02
The process layout is delivered to the piping department for piping design; once issues are found with the piping, they are reported back to the process department, which makes the necessary modifications before delivering it again to the piping department for further design: lol :lol
Reply #52009-04-02
In our company, the process engineering department is responsible for carrying out the initial layout of the equipment (with the overall layout also being considered). Once the initial process layout is completed, the detailed arrangement of the pipes and equipment follows. However, generally, the height of the equipment cannot be adjusted too much; any significant changes in positioning need to be discussed with the process engineering team. The equipment layout for a process is primarily determined based on the process flow. For the overall plant layout, the focus is on ensuring that it complies with various standards and project requirements, while adjustments to the equipment layout in the piping field are made in accordance with relevant standards and operational requirements. Each major has its own focus. There are specialties in every field~~~~~~~~~~~. :lol
Reply #62009-04-02
The equipment layout of the original poster should refer to the layout of the devices. Our approach is for the process engineering team to prepare a preliminary layout of the equipment as design requirements, which are then submitted to relevant teams such as general layout and piping engineering. Various requirements such as the process flow, equipment characteristics, and equipment spacing have been taken into account during the layout of the process, thereby meeting the process requirements. The piping specialty must consider the requirements and feasibility of piping layout based on this arrangement (primarily to ensure that the pipes can be installed properly), while the overall plan needs to be evaluated as a whole to determine whether it meets the needs of all relevant specialties in a reasonable manner. This layout plan usually requires several rounds of negotiation and revisions. This post was last edited by fanxh on 2009-4-2 09:40]
Reply #72009-04-02
First, the process systems team should prepare the equipment layout diagram as a design requirement and submit it to the equipment team and the piping team, as this is necessary to meet the process requirements. There were some minor issues in the middle, which were corrected after discussion.
Reply #82009-04-02
The layout of our equipment is determined by the manufacturing process, but it certainly requires the cooperation of specialists in areas such as piping and equipment
Reply #92009-04-02
Yes, first the requirements of the manufacturing process must be met, and then appropriate adjustments are made based on the piping; however, the changes aren’t very significant
Reply #102009-04-02
When we do it, the engineering department explains the process details to the piping (installation) team, who then carry out the work.
Reply #112009-04-07
The equipment layout diagram is designed by the process engineering team; everything should first meet the process requirements, though the piping engineering team should assist in completing it.
Reply #122009-04-07
Whether the equipment layout is reasonable should be determined by the process engineering team as per the relevant principles, while the piping engineering team is responsible for finalizing it and implementing it, ensuring that it complies with the overall layout plan. The reasons are as follows: 1. The ultimate goal of equipment layout is to ensure smooth process operation and avoid unnecessary piping; a reasonable equipment layout is the result of the piping team first completing the piping arrangement. 2. Specific or special requirements regarding the process have been specified in the system design and PID settings, and the piping team should be able to understand them.
Reply #132009-04-07
Some design institutes do not have such a detailed division; the process engineering field includes aspects such as process systems, pipeline layout, and equipment arrangement. It is the process design manager who is responsible for overall oversight, with other process engineers working together under his/her direction. A very small engineering task was completed by just one person.
Reply #142009-04-07
Designed by the piping specialty or the process system specialty. Last edited by yzq2213 on 2009-4-7 21:59.]
Reply #152009-04-14
The process design is delivered to the piping department for piping layout; once issues are identified with the piping, they are reported back to the process department, which makes the necessary modifications before delivering the updated design to the piping department for further work.:)
Reply #162009-04-14
In our company, the process engineering team is responsible for carrying out the initial equipment layout for the installations. Once the preliminary equipment layout is completed by the process engineering team, the piping engineering team then carries out a more detailed equipment layout based on the piping design. However, the piping engineering team generally makes no major adjustments to the equipment layout, only minor tweaks to the equipment locations.
Reply #172009-04-14
Preliminary process layout completed; piping discipline finalized.
Reply #182009-04-15
First, meet the overall requirements of the process; then modify any local issues in the pipelines, and provide feedback. This cycle repeats itself. As for the issue of funding, isn’t there a set of rules regarding funding establishment by design institutes? Just follow those rules, categorizing things by specialty
Reply #192009-04-15
““The equipment layout” is generally carried out by the piping specialty. With a P&ID, one can understand the piping layout in relation to the process flow. Although it’s not necessary to know as many details as those required by process engineers, the overall flow remains clear. During the planning process, there is some communication and discussion between the piping team and the process team, but the drawings are prepared by the piping specialists. In fact, different design firms may adopt different approaches to this issue; the above is merely the practice at my company. As for which one is more reasonable, I think it is more appropriate to make a comparison based on piping. Although the layout must meet the requirements of the manufacturing process, it does not necessarily have to be done by professionals in that field. Equipment layout is closely related to piping layout, so it is more appropriate to focus on piping.
Reply #202009-04-15
The process engineering department provides a suggested equipment layout diagram, while the piping department delivers a detailed equipment layout diagram.
Reply #212009-04-15
Generally, the process engineering department proposes the plan, while the piping engineering department handles the design.

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