Do safety assessment technical experts bear joint liability? (Please discuss)
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Our company is engaged in safety assessment; we have a large volume of work, but the compensation offered is poor, among other reasons. These days, reports are basically written by undergraduates or graduate students with little experience. In the section for technical experts, it is usually the person who writes the report who signs their name. I would like to ask whether technical experts are held accountable in the event of a serious safety incident in a project This post was last edited by Gao Gao 00 on 2009-4-4 11:42]
It’s a simple principle: whoever signs is responsible. If something really does happen and is investigated, there will definitely be problems!
Of course there is responsibility! It should be noted that when an accident occurs, it is necessary to thoroughly investigate and determine who is responsible. Safety assessment personnel and safety assessment agencies each have their own distinct responsibilities! ! The purpose of requiring safety assessment professionals to hold valid certificates before working is to ensure that not just anyone can carry out safety assessments. And in the exams related to safety assessment, isn’t there any content regarding safety responsibilities?
Hehe, it’s impossible to escape, but what’s even more impossible to escape is the company itself. Nowadays, some chemical companies simply need to go through some procedures at a design institute; there’s no need to worry too much.
There are too many problems with safety assessments. It is not uncommon for managers to have inexperienced undergraduates or postgraduates prepare these reports; yet such people do not possess the qualifications required for conducting safety assessments. They then randomly find someone who does have the necessary qualifications to sign off on the reports (often by having that person sign on their behalf, which constitutes an infringement of another person’s right to use their name). The manager may bear significant responsibility for this. As for technical experts, the first thing to check is whether they signed the report themselves; if not, they are not completely exempt from responsibility. If they did sign it, then they likely bear some responsibility, though those who failed to conduct the safety assessment and sign off are still more at fault. This post was last edited by wanmh on 2009-4-2 22:08.]
The current situation is that so-called technical experts neither have safety assessment work permits nor certificates as safety assessors. They are all people who write reports. After these people finished writing the report, the boss asked them to sign their names in the section for technical experts. Do they bear any responsibility? Do they have any liability?
It sounds terrifying: the cost for a safety assessment of a large project is over 1 million, and it takes one person to complete the work, with all bonuses combined amounting to less than 2,000 yuan. The boss earns all the money, while it’s us who have to take on all the responsibilities. :Q:Q:Q The last edit to this post was made by Gao Gao 00 on 2009-4-3 08:52.]
It turns out that an accident had occurred; those who held a safety assessment certificate and signed the safety assessment report were punished, while those without such certificates were not punished. The expert group does the same: it revokes the qualifications of those who have the necessary licenses (for personal safety assessment), while those without such licenses are not dealt with.
Both the company and the safety assessment professionals are at fault; otherwise, why would they pay a company to do this job? It would be better to just pick anyone and have them write something randomly, **without the need for any exams or issuance of qualifications in this area. It’s just that many of those who write such things don’t have the necessary certifications, so it’s generally impossible to hold them accountable; in the end, it’s the company and the safety assessment professionals with the required qualifications who end up suffering
Safety assessment personnel and safety assessment agencies each have their own distinct responsibilities! The Work Safety Law contains clear provisions on this!
It is the current lack of standards that gives many people a sense of recklessness
If something goes wrong, the responsibility will first be attributed to the safety assessment company, and then to the persons who signed off on it. The company hires a safety assessment agency to conduct an evaluation in order to find an entity that will take responsibility.
I’m aware of what everyone is saying; usually, in case of an incident, only the company and those with relevant licenses are held accountable. I’ve heard that several of the safety assessments carried out by that company ended in explosions. The worst incident involved a listed company, where 5 people died and 80 were injured. As a result, the company’s stock price dropped by the maximum limit for three consecutive days. In the end, it was the company’s owner who paid to resolve the situation, and we were responsible for conducting the safety inspection for that project. The investigation found that the direct cause was a mistake in parameter control ； The indirect cause is poor management and a lack of training. The quality of the company’s safety assessment reports is very poor; not to mention conducting any evaluations, many of those who go to the site are not even familiar with the processes and equipment there. The corrective measures suggested often include issues such as the lack of mouse guards, signs, and height restrictions (with the exception of major inspection items). During the review meeting, it is also the person who wrote the report who reads it, brings back the feedback, and then goes back to make revisions. Here’s a true joke: Recently, someone went to a power plant to inspect the boilers (he was responsible for writing safety assessments for power plants). Since he had never seen an industrial boiler before, he walked up to the large boiler and asked, “Where are the boilers?” ” ““If you walk by the river often, your shoes will get wet eventually.” I’m scared :L :L This post was last edited by Gao Gao 00 on 2009-4-4 at 11:42
One must definitely take responsibility, only the nature of that responsibility varies. Those who sign the documents bear more responsibility, the boss also has to take responsibility, and technical experts are equally liable, **as some accidents have already led to consequences for certain people.
Persons without the appropriate qualifications are not allowed to sign safety assessment reports! But once it’s signed, you’ll be held responsible if anything goes wrong; perhaps your boss will bear even greater responsibility!
Of course there is responsibility; I really don’t know how your company obtained its qualifications. Let’s go quickly, get away from this hellhole. Don’t put your head on someone else’s belt!
Safety work cannot be taken lightly at all; I suggest you write a letter to Li Yizhong to report your company, and then leave. It’s also a way of fulfilling some responsibility toward the innocent victims! ! ! I truly despise people like your company’s boss! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
When applying for qualifications, companies are required to meet certain conditions such as the number of registered safety assessment experts. Our company meets these requirements in terms of the number of safety assessment experts and other related factors. Regarding the signature of technical experts, the company is rather casual about this – both those who prepare the reports and those who inspect the sites need to sign. Is there any document specifying the requirements for technical experts? If so, please point it out. Thank you!
The system’s clock seems to be running a bit fast, by about 5 minutes; please have the administrator adjust it
Could you provide a specific example of \"handling a group of people\"? Who were those people? Technical experts, affiliated personnel, evaluation agencies, and so on. Thank you