What is the relationship between internal and external training? ? ?

Of course, the internal trainer directs the external trainer, but the external trainer also has his own responsibilities for outdoor inspections.

The two are in a coordinated relationship with each other! On the contrary, external exercises are more difficult, and it is normal to pay more attention to them!

No one here is willing to do internal work. Although external work is physically demanding, internal work has relatively greater responsibilities. A whole class is responsible for supervising the market. It is really hard to watch the screen for a long time, so we adopt a rotation system. Internal and external positions are rotated on a regular basis. In addition, in terms of bonus distribution, more internal work is given. In terms of mutual relationships, it is necessary for internal control to direct external control, otherwise everything will be chaotic! But some problems are not always discovered first by internal operators. Many on-site problems are discovered by external operators during inspections. Can on-site leaks or fires be discovered by staring at the screen?

Internal operations should direct external operations. This is determined by the nature and responsibilities of the work.

Internal operation directs external operation, but when external operation finds some problems and reports them to internal operation, some accidents can be avoided. In short, the two are in a cooperative relationship! :handshake

Internal training and external training are comrades-in-arms, friends, and brothers.

In fact, it should also be decided based on the nature of the company.

I think internal and external operations should cooperate with each other. Each has its own division of labor but cannot be separated. The internal operation is responsible for monitoring the operation of the device in the operation room. The external operation has to go to the site to check for abnormalities. If an abnormality occurs, the internal operation and the external operation must cooperate with each other to solve the problem. It is impossible to leave either one.

That is the case for old-school leaders who come from state-owned enterprises, because you must know that if any accident occurs, the leader's future will be hanging in the balance if something goes wrong. Moreover, the leaders of state-owned enterprises are mostly from the bottom. They are biased towards the on-site for many reasons. You have to understand the leader's thoughts. Such leaders are at least more practical.

I think we should still consider it from a management perspective: It's a permissions issue. The installation technology and the leadership's management ideas are different, and the responsibilities and rights attached to internal and external operations are different. Whoever is fully responsible for the entire process should be listened to. Take me as an equipment operator for example. During normal production, when starting or stopping a piece of equipment or dealing with a certain on-site problem, I think external operators should obey the instructions of internal operators. However, if I arrive at the site and find any problems, I may take over the command and require the squad leader or internal operators to obey. But if my instructions may cause problems with the device, such as parking, this is beyond my authority, and the squad leader or internal manager has every reason to refuse to obey! So it’s not the relationship between the scene and the main controller that everyone says is about who obeys whom! Any corrections are welcome!

Internal training is promoted by external training, and the person in charge of the shift is promoted by internal training. The external operator will report the problems discovered on site to the squad leader, who will instruct the internal operator according to the situation. In the absence of the squad leader, the internal operator will be responsible.

The monitors in our unit are all doing exercises outside and inside. Without the squad leader, I don’t know how the leader arranges it.

Maybe it’s because my level is too low, so I can’t give you a rating. I tried several times yesterday but it still didn’t work. Thank you all again. Thank you.

This issue cannot be generalized. It depends on the different job responsibilities and the control method of the device. For devices with a high degree of automation, internal operators have greater responsibilities than external operators, and their income is inevitably higher than external operators. Vice versa.

Internal operators are all promoted from external operators. It is probably the external operators who discover more problems. Most of the problems such as leaks are discovered by external operators. If internal operators find them all, it will be a big problem. Only when the two cooperate with each other can the work be done well. However, it is very hard for internal operators to keep track of the clock. It is not easy for external operators. Opening valves outside is very tiring: lol

I am still an outside operator now, let me tell you my opinion. Some problems must be discovered by internal operators before outside operators, because outside operators cannot see some parameters. However, there are some problems that outside operators must discover before internal operators, such as the abnormal color of the flame of the HCL synthesis furnace, and the liquid level of an important tower on site. Due to many reasons, internal operators cannot make a judgment immediately, but external operators can discover it immediately! As a workshop with multiple work sections, internal operators are not necessarily familiar with all sites, so internal and external collaboration is necessary! The more important truth was not mentioned! Regarding certain issues, your internal control may not necessarily know more than your external control. At this time, the external control will definitely have a say over the internal control. If you think that the external control will direct your internal control at this time, then……

Evaluate the poster’s views: (Purely personal experience, criticism welcome) 1. There is no essential difference and strict boundaries between internal and external exercises. Of course, internal exercises must not be students who have just left school, but must be people with some experience in working in a refinery.； 2. As a qualified operator, there is no doubt that you must first be familiar with the on-site process of the device. Only by mastering the distribution of on-site equipment, valves, and pipelines can you be aware of the indoor control. ； 3. If an old operator transferred from another company is not familiar with the on-site procedures in the new environment, he will never be able to be an excellent internal operator. ； 4. As for the importance of the production site, it cannot be emphasized who plays a greater role. Problems can be found both inside and outside. For example, a trace leakage in a pipeline must be discovered by outdoor personnel first. If it is discovered by indoor personnel, it will cause a major accident, because it means that the degree of leakage has affected the balance of materials, and some instrument failures are generally not easily discovered by outdoor personnel. ； 5. For the handling of emergencies, of course, the operating level of the indoor personnel plays a key role, because there are many emergency cut-off buttons on the console. If these tasks are done manually by outside personnel, not only will the workload be huge, but the time will also be too late. Under normal production conditions, the level of the operator can hardly be reflected. For high-temperature and high-pressure hydrogen installations, accidents can definitely reflect the quality of an excellent operator, that is, the psychological quality of being busy but not chaotic, not panicking, and the professional quality of accurate judgment and rapid processing. 6. No matter what the leader thinks, the operators of a device should be interchangeable inside and outside, and everyone should be proficient both indoors and outdoors. Only in this way can the inside and outside cooperate tacitly, and be safe and efficient!

Our names here are different. What we call are main control positions and field positions. Literally understood, main control refers to main control. The responsibilities of the field position are basic daily tasks such as hourly on-site inspections, meter reading, and refueling of operating equipment. Finding leaks or leaks is a common problem. It is the responsibility of the on-site position to detect abnormal operating conditions of the unit, and it is the responsibility of the on-site position to discover major leaks and fires, but the main control is responsible for overall production and command. No matter what happens (unless someone is about to die), the person in charge on duty cannot leave the main control room. At least in terms of distribution, the main control here is 1.3 times the number of on-site positions.

Personally, I feel that the external operator is like the eyes of the internal operator. During the production process, it is natural for the internal operator to direct the external operator to handle the situation. After all, the internal operator understands the overall production situation! The external operation will report the situation to the internal operation in a timely manner, and the internal operation will handle it according to the actual situation! There should also be a certain degree of tacit understanding between internal exercises and external exercises. For example, let’s install: When dealing with situations, there is often an internal manager giving instructions: How to deal with a certain place? Waicao has already finished it!

When it comes to management ideas, internal and external operators must first collaborate well, that is, as a team, internal operators usually issue instructions and notify external operators to make corresponding adjustments, because internal operators have a clearer understanding of processes and changes in various parameters, while external operators can only see superficial phenomena. If internal operators are the eyes, external operators are the hands. During daily inspections, it is easier for external operators to find problems, report them to internal operators, and then internal and external operators work together to solve the problems. Relatively speaking, internal operators have to work harder, while external operators have a harsh working environment.