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Can DCS be used to replace ESD?

2010-04-24View Original

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This post was last edited by jacob451 on 2010-4-25 04:39. It has been posted in the Safety Engineering Discussion Area: http://bbs.hcbbs.com/thread-655758-1-1.html
Reply #22010-04-25
The reliability levels of the two systems are different; they can serve as substitutes in terms of functionality, but reliability cannot be replaced. Moreover, **there are safety regulations and guidelines. You may refer to the documents issued by the Work Safety Supervision Bureau and make a decision based on the specifics of your own processing equipment.
Reply #32010-04-27
What kind of certification does a SIS system generally need to go through?
Reply #42010-05-03
The reliability levels of the two systems are different; they can serve as substitutes in terms of functionality, but reliability cannot be replaced. In some situations, it can be replaced. You may refer to the documents issued by the Work Safety Supervision Bureau and make a decision based on the specifics of your own processing equipment
Reply #52010-05-04
1. The protection system requires rapid response. 2. The DCS needs to have manual control capabilities; errors in protection actions may occur due to human intervention
Reply #62010-05-04
I think many people working in control systems probably take it for granted that ESD is definitely safer than DCS, and don’t really think about it. I asked several control engineers, and they all said they weren’t sure. Why? Many people believe that it is safer because ESD systems use hardwired connections, but I think this is a misconception, as DCS systems can theoretically also be fully connected via hard wires. As for factors such as structure and hardware, they are also unlikely to make ESD safer, since DCS systems can achieve the same thing. I did some research and believe this is the more accurate and comprehensive view: (1) Reduce the probability of both control functions and safety functions failing simultaneously, so that partial failures in the DCS do not put the safety protection system at risk; (2) For large-scale installations or rotating mechanical equipment, the faster the response time of the emergency shutdown system, the better. This helps to protect the equipment and prevent accidents from escalating ; It also helps in identifying the causes of accidents and keeping records of them. Since DCS processes a large amount of process monitoring information, its response speed is difficult to make fast ; (3) The DCS system is a process control system that is dynamic and requires frequent manual intervention, which may lead to human-induced errors ; ESD, on the other hand, is static and does not require human intervention; by setting it this way, human errors can be avoided. I thought of the first and second points, but not the third one. In fact, the only real advantage of ESD is the second point; the first and third points rely on DCS performing the \"dirtier\" tasks to ensure the safety of the ESD system. If an ESD system is used for control, then the safety aspects associated with ESD are no longer guaranteed in these two areas. 1. ESD and DCS refer to a general category of electrical/electronic/programmable electronic systems used in various applications. 2. When an E/E/PE system is used for safety interlocks (or emergency shutdown) rather than process interlocks, and such a system is a product that has been certified by an international safety certification body in accordance with standards such as IEC61508, it can be considered suitable for use in safety interlock applications and can be classified as ESD. 3. As for DCS, it is an abbreviation for Distributed Control System. As long as the E/E/PE system adheres to the principles of centralized operation, centralized management, decentralized control, and decentralized processing, it can be classified as a DCS. Therefore, claiming that ESD is safer than DCS is actually a false proposition. For production units with a high SIL level (Level 2 and above), certified E/E/PE control systems should be used. There should be no difference in terms of whether a specific product is manufactured by a DCS manufacturer or an ESD manufacturer.
Reply #72010-05-04
Our plant has a total of over 40,000 DCS points, while there are only a little over 6,000 SIS and MCS systems in use. In fact, none of the SIS or MCS systems have many I/O points, and their advantage over DCS lies in 3-channel redundancy as well as shorter scanning cycles. Moreover, SIS does not rely on manual control; it triggers a cascade as long as the cascade conditions are met. Unlike DCS. In terms of safety level, SIS is higher than DCS.
Reply #82010-05-10
This post was last edited by solo on 2010-5-10 15:19. The two people above said it very well; I’m still learning... However, ESD generally refers to PLCs, which use scan input/output buffers, right? Isn’t that not the case for DCS? Does it also have a concept of a scan cycle? I’d like some advice...
Reply #92010-05-19
The scanning speeds of the two are different; if a safety system is built using the speed of DCS, the factory will be at risk.
Reply #102010-05-19
Sure, if replacement is necessary, first increase the hardware scanning time of DCS and raise the security level.
Reply #112010-05-20
Personally, I think it’s not feasible; at a chemical plant, I once encountered a situation where the same signal was not detected by the DCS but was detected by the ESD, and the ESD trigger caused an shutdown. Therefore, the scanning speed of DCS is likely to fail to meet safety requirements in certain situations.

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