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Why is it necessary to tune a controller with a delay in HYSYS?

2010-12-02View Original

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In HYSYS, if a delay is added to a controller, why is it usually necessary to tune the controller?
Reply #22010-12-02
Please describe the problem in more detail or attach the file, thank you.
Reply #32010-12-02
There are no documents; it’s just done in one of Luyben’s books. For ordinary controllers, it’s sufficient to simply enter the PID parameters. As for controllers that have a delay module, they use the autotuning tool built into the software to carry out autotuning, thereby determining a set of PID parameters.
Reply #42010-12-02
I guess, just a guess~~ Since the signal transmission of controllers in the HYSYS system is delay-free, whereas in real DCS systems there are issues such as signal transmission delays, the PID parameters of controllers that work well in HYSYS generally do not apply in practical situations. I guess, just a guess, the reason why the author you mentioned added a delay is to better simulate real-world DCS; as a result, it’s necessary to re-tune the PID parameters. For example, in the case of a flow controller, without a delay module, the PID parameters set in HYSYS have a Kc value of only 0.03 and a Ti value of only 0.05; such values are not appropriate in real DCS systems, so it is necessary to reset these parameters. By the way, could you send me the article you mentioned? My email: scbnmao@yahoo.com.cn
Reply #52010-12-02
It’s the book titled Plantwide Dynamic Simulators in Chemical Processing and Control by William L. Luyben; no electronic version of it seems to exist, and I read it from a library book. I searched on Google, and only some chapters are available; you can search for them yourself. I asked someone in our company who specializes in control systems about this issue, and he said that controlling flow rate and pressure is relatively simple; it’s usually sufficient to rely on experience when setting the parameters. However, for controlling temperature and concentration, there is often a delay, so it’s not possible to rely on experience alone, as such approaches are often unreliable and require adjustment.
Reply #62011-05-30
Can you scan this book into an electronic version? For the benefit of all marine enthusiasts.

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