Discussion on penalties for the original poster of a help-seeking post who ignores those offering assistance

Personally, I think what was said on the 8th floor of this post at http://bbs.hcbbs.com/thread-800198-1-1.html by Benben Xuanchao Edition makes a lot of sense. Although not engaging in discussions after posting can, from one perspective, reflect the poster’s morality and character, a forum is after all a place for exchanging ideas. Resolving issues through violence would turn it into a \"fascist ruling center\" or akin to the governance methods of the Legalists in ancient China; this could ultimately provoke public outrage, as water can both carry a boat and capsize it. It is recommended to focus on education, actively promoting among fellow sailors the principles and objectives of posting on Haichuan, in order to encourage active communication among everyone.

I strongly support the original poster’s suggestion. You are a kind, responsible moderator who cares about the people of P. I’ve become numb to the issues you mentioned. Not to mention anything else, even many moderators are stingy; how can we expect ordinary people to do otherwise? That’s too much to ask!

We agree with the view from the second floor that guidance should be the main approach. \"By rating others, one does not lose any wealth,\" and it is essential to make this point clear to every member of the community.

While dealing with such issues, I also thought about the need for more publicity and guidance, so I issued reminders through methods such as in-site messages and score update notifications. Some sea friends responded to my request, giving positive replies and ratings, but for the most part there was no response at all. If some managers disagree, I think it would be good to add the phrase \"Rating others won’t cost you any money\" to the prominent part of the forum right now. After all, communication is interactive, and scoring is a very important form of such communication and interaction. Once this atmosphere is established, it undoubtedly serves as a great catalyst for the development of the forum. It’s just my personal opinion; I hope more people will join the discussion.

This post was last edited by Canghai Yishengxiao on 2011-2-20 at 11:10. First of all, I fully support the request from Benben Chaoban in my forum area, and it has already been implemented. But personally, I think it’s still necessary to discuss this here: If you put in a lot of effort to help someone seriously, and that person only takes a quick look without responding or giving any feedback, how would you feel? Would you still be willing to help others so enthusiastically next time? I believe that everyone, regardless of their moral standards, will be affected to some extent. The more earnestly one helps others, the greater the impact. The lower-level sea friends among us find it harder to level up, which leads to a poor atmosphere on the forum. Relying solely on moderators to carry out tasks such as scoring, responding, answering questions, and editing is not only impractical but also slow, and it’s far from sufficient. That’s why everyone should be made aware to pay active attention to their own posts. Sometimes losing 1 point might not bother him at all.

Reply to 6# A laugh in the vast ocean: In a large forest, there are all kinds of birds; this is even more true for virtual online forums. What’s the point of using violence to force things? I’m afraid it will backfire. It’s not that I’m dismissing your opinion; I just want you to think about it from a different perspective. There are indeed quite a number of people who only post requests for help without replying to discussions. As time goes by, people get to know such individuals and realize what kind of people they are; as a result, no one will be willing to help them anymore. This is an inevitable outcome of the way societal laws function. The main role of the moderator is to clean up and organize the posts in the section, encourage and guide users to participate in discussions, and promote the spirit of helping one another. As long as everyone gains a little insight or some help, then our goal of serving everyone has been achieved. This goal isn’t about receiving anything in return; if compensation were needed, a few words of gratitude certainly wouldn’t be enough. And as for looking good in front of others, well, I don’t think that’s the main concern. As a moderator, to guide other users, one must reward valuable posts – after all, it’s we moderators who have more resources at our disposal Hehe, we won’t give high scores; who will then? (Although I’m lazy too)

Why is Moderator Cang so fixated on the original poster’s ratings and replies? The original poster has only one account, but there are thousands of accounts among other users. The original poster doesn’t give ratings, but those thousands of users can do so and leave replies. Moreover, everyone is working professionals; although there are many different industries, there are still hundreds or even thousands of people in the same industry. Therefore, the problems that the original poster raises for discussion will eventually be encountered by other users as well. So, by bringing up these issues for discussion, the original poster is already doing something valuable. Furthermore, the respondents are likely to be quite clear about the question raised by the original poster; the original poster does not participate in the discussion, but the respondents can discuss among themselves. Furthermore, Moderator Cang should also put himself in the poster’s shoes and think from that perspective. We are all working people, most of us already have families and responsibilities; we have a lot to deal with at work and at home, so our time is very limited, and the time available for surfing the Internet is even less. Do you really think you have time, with every second counting, to go through HaiChuan’s replies to the posts you’ve shared and evaluate or discuss them? Moreover, the wealth on the forum is virtual; ratings are merely meant to encourage more participation in discussions. Active communication is the purpose of the forum, while solving problems is its goal. As long as problems can be resolved and the risks associated with accidents can be minimized, thereby benefiting us chemical industry workers as well as society and humanity, isn’t that the greatest form of kindness? Why bother fixating on the original poster’s reply and rating? And you should trust the other members of the community – people rarely make mistakes on purpose; it can only be said that those who don’t know the rules are not at fault. It’s sufficient to explain the relevant regulations to them. Take me for example: when I first started posting on Haichuan, I had no idea how to post or reply to messages. While browsing posts in the General English section, I replied with, “I’ve learned something, thank you to the original poster.” Later, moderator Jesscy sent me a message saying that it was pointless to post such replies in the General English section, but since I was new, she couldn’t bring herself to delete my post. She hoped I wouldn’t do it again in the future. After seeing that message, I apologized to moderator Jesscy and deleted my own reply. Now I participate in the technical discussions in the foreign language sections. After all, no one is perfect; everyone makes mistakes. It’s great to be able to correct those mistakes. I hope you can understand everyone and use your leadership skills to encourage active participation in discussions, so as to make Haichuan even more prosperous! While forums do need rules, what’s more necessary is mutual care and understanding among members. A forum should be governed by rules as well as by moral principles – what do you think?

This post was last edited by denghl on 2011-2-21 at 20:24. The original poster had very good intentions, but lacked the necessary capabilities. What one can control is not others, but oneself. So the appeal will have almost no effect, and it might even result in being attacked with bricks. But I really admire the original poster; indeed, in your actual work you must also be good at encouraging and praising your colleagues. Although the internet is virtual, it is definitely a true reflection of reality. As for the points mentioned above: 1. There is only one poster, while there are thousands of Haiyou users ； 2. Put yourself in their shoes – people who are working don’t have time to reply ； 3. Wealth is virtual. . . Due to irrelevant factors, 28 characters are omitted here. . . Different people have different views. I used to worry about this too, but I figured it out. Reply when you feel like it, and give points to good posts; don’t be too stingy with newcomers. Don’t expect anything in return for your replies, but be sure to give points to every responder to your own post. What’s the point of coming to Haichuan? It’s just about saving some money, so that one can find information in the massive repository when needed ； Learn by reading posts* ； Share your own experience. Stick to your principles!

You really misunderstand. I’m just expressing my own opinion; it’s not directed at Moderator Cang. I focus on the matter itself, not the person. Is it wrong to express a different opinion just because that means criticizing the original poster? Also, please be careful with your wording when posting – what do you mean by “these three views are all vague”? Everyone, including the forum administrator, has always said that forums represent virtual wealth, and that forum wealth is inherently virtual – is there anything wrong with that? Everything I said is the truth from my heart; how could there be any falsehood in it! If there are any issues, let’s discuss them together. I hope you won’t speak in a way that implies hidden meanings or hurts others with your words. I just think there’s no need to be so harsh on the person who posted the message; it will demotivate everyone. I said all that to explain my viewpoint, and it’s not to shirk responsibility. You can check out my posts – I participate in discussions on every topic I post myself. If everyone were like you, mocking and bringing others down at the slightest hint of a different opinion, who would still dare to post or reply? How could there be active communication in such a forum then?

Reply to 7# huawei: Hehe, I’m not trying to shirk my responsibilities as a moderator at all; on the contrary, I set higher standards for myself and strive to do things more meticulously. The concept you mentioned of governing the country through virtue has long been abandoned; facts have shown that it is ineffective both in the East and the West. Governing the country according to the law has been advocated for over 10 years now. Why do developed countries abroad rule by law, with everyone being courteous and modest? Our country, an ancient civilization with a history of thousands of years, has governed through virtue – so where has all that lost virtue gone? Well, stepping back for a moment and considering governance through virtue, what about those who lack even the most basic virtues? Should mild punishment be imposed in cases where reminders and education fail to bring about change? Humans are inherently kind, but they are also inherently lazy. Differing opinions are welcome.