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What methods are used to analyze the dew point temperature of gases?

2011-03-19View Original

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What methods are used to analyze the dew point temperature of gases? Could you all please use water gas or nitrogen as examples to illustrate this? Thank you!
Reply #22011-03-19
This doesn’t need an example. There are dew point meters for measuring the dew point.
Reply #32011-03-24
The dew point measurement method is commonly used in industry. The main types used are capacitive, electrolytic, and cold-mirror types. Of course, there are other methods such as infrared as well. Regarding the nitrogen you mentioned, all three types are suitable.
Reply #42011-03-24
1. Measurement principle of the dielectric dew point meter: Utilizing the property that materials such as phosphorus pentoxide decompose into polar molecules upon absorbing moisture, thereby accumulating charge on the electrodes, an electrolytic micro-humidity meter based on an absolute humidity unit system was developed. Currently, the highest precision available internationally is ±1.0°C (dew point temperature), while the typical precision is within ±3°C. 2. Measurement principle of electric dew point meters: Hydrophilic or hydrophobic materials are used as media to form the capacitor or resistor of the dew point meter. When a gas containing moisture passes through, the dielectric constant or conductivity changes accordingly; by measuring the capacitance value or resistance value at that moment, it is possible to determine the moisture content in the gas. Sensors designed on the basis of the dew point unit system constitute electric sensor-type dew point meters. Currently, the highest precision available internationally is ±1.0°C (dew point temperature), while the typical precision is within ±3°C. 3. Measurement principle of the mirror-type dew point meter: Gases with different moisture contents will form dew on a mirror at different temperatures. Using photoelectric detection technology, the dew layer is detected and the temperature at the time of dew formation is measured, thereby displaying the dew point directly. The cooling methods for mirror dew point meters include semiconductor cooling, liquid nitrogen cooling, and high-pressure air cooling. The mirror-type dew point meter employs a direct measurement method; by ensuring accurate dew detection, high-efficiency cooling of the mirror, and precise measurement of the dew point temperature, this type of dew point meter can be used as a standard dew point meter. Currently, the highest precision available internationally is ±0.1°C (dew point temperature), while the typical precision is within ±0.5°C. 4. Measurement principle of the crystal oscillation dew point meter: By utilizing the property that the oscillation frequency changes when a crystal becomes wet, a crystal oscillation dew point meter can be designed. This is a relatively new technology that is still in an immature stage at present. There are similar products available abroad, but their precision is poor and their cost is high. 5. Measurement principle of semiconductor sensor dew point meters: Each water molecule has its own natural vibration frequency. When it enters the gaps in the semiconductor lattice, it resonates with the lattice that is excited electrically, and this resonance frequency is proportional to the number of moles of water. The resonance of water molecules can cause semiconductors to emit free electrons, thereby increasing the electrical conductivity of the lattice and reducing its impedance. Semiconductor dew point meters designed using this feature can detect trace amounts of water at a dew point of -100°C. 6. Measurement principle of infrared dew point meters: By utilizing the property of water vapor in gases to absorb infrared light, infrared dew point meters can be designed. At present, it is difficult for this instrument to detect low dew points, mainly because the peak detection efficiency of the infrared detector has not yet reached the level necessary to detect trace amounts of water absorption, and the presence of other components in the gas interferes with the absorption in the infrared spectrum. But this is a very new technology, and it holds great significance for the non-contact online monitoring of the moisture content in ambient gases.
Reply #52011-03-24
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Reply #62011-03-24
The corresponding saturated temperature can also be determined by calculating the saturated vapor pressure of water at a certain pressure; this temperature represents the dew point at that pressure.
Reply #72011-04-27
“I used a handheld one; its accuracy might not be very high. Calibration is performed using quicklime; the probe is sealed inside a bottle containing quicklime, and calibration is carried out at one hour, two hours, three hours, and five hours respectively. If it’s just a routine correction, as mentioned on the second floor, atmospheric correction will suffice, but this is only possible if you have a set of tables for determining or converting atmospheric temperatures, which can be obtained using a wet and dry bulb thermometer. Typically, such dew point meters have a mode for atmospheric zero calibration; you can check whether your dew point meter has a CAL scale line to determine if it possesses this function. If not, it needs to be regularly inspected annually. ” I previously cut out a section for convenience; I would like to ask whether the calibration method is the same for all types of dew point meters?
Reply #82011-10-24
Several methods for measuring trace amounts of water and selection of dew point meters: The gravimetric method is a classic measurement technique. Pass the gas sample under test through a desiccant; the moisture contained in it is absorbed by the desiccant. By accurately measuring the amount of moisture absorbed by the desiccant and dividing it by the volume of the gas sample, the humidity of the gas sample can be determined. The advantage of this method is its high precision, with a maximum allowable error of 0.1% ; The drawback is that the actual operation is rather difficult, especially since a sufficient amount of water for absorption is required (usually not less than 0.6 grams), which is particularly challenging for gases with low humidity. This necessitates an increased flow rate of the sample gas, resulting in longer measurement times and greater errors (the measured humidity is not an instantaneous value). Therefore, this method is only suitable for measuring gases with a dew point above -32°C; it can be said that there are few instruments on the market that use this method solely for humidity measurement.   From the above analysis, it can be seen that the key to the gravimetric method is to accurately measure the amount of water absorbed by the desiccant; since direct measurement is difficult, two indirect methods for measuring the absorbed water content have been developed. Electrolysis method: This involves using an electrolytic cell to split the water absorbed by the desiccant into hydrogen and oxygen, which are then released. The magnitude of the electrolytic current is proportional to the water content; by measuring this current, it is possible to determine the humidity of the sample gas. This method overcomes the disadvantages of the gravimetric method; it can measure temperatures below -80°C, offers good accuracy, and is inexpensive ; The disadvantage is that the gas circuit of the electrolytic cell needs to be dried for a long time before use, and it has high requirements regarding the corrosiveness and purity of the gases. There are many instruments that use this method; typical examples include Edgetech Company’s 1-C type microwater meter in the United States, DuPont’s M303, as well as the domestic USI series of products. The vibration frequency method involves replacing the desiccant used in the weight method with a hygroscopic quartz crystal. Utilizing the fact that this crystal exhibits different vibration frequencies depending on the amount of moisture it absorbs, the sample gas and a standard dry gas stream are passed through this crystal, resulting in different vibration frequency differences of △f1 and △f2. By calculating the difference between these two frequencies, the humidity of the sample gas can be determined. This method has the same advantages as the electrolytic method, and does not require drying before use. A typical representative instrument is the 560B from the American company AMETEK. The cold mirror method is also a classic measurement technique. Pass the sample gas through the condensing mirror in the dew point cold chamber; through isobaric cooling, the sample gas is brought to a saturated condensation state (liquid droplets form on the condensing mirror). The temperature of the condensing mirror at this point corresponds to the dew point of the sample gas. The main advantage of this method is its high precision; especially with the use of semiconductor cooling and photodetection techniques, the uncertainty can even reach 0.1℃ ; The disadvantage is its relatively slow response time, especially below a dew point of -60°C, where the equilibration time can reach several hours. Additionally, this method requires high purity and low corrosivity of the sample gas; otherwise, it may affect the performance of the photoelectric detection or cause \"pseudo-dew\" leading to measurement errors. Typical manufacturers of this method include the British company MICHELL, the American company General Eastern, and the Swiss company MBW, among others. The resistance-capacitance method is a humidity measurement technique that is constantly being improved. A high-purity aluminum rod is used; its surface is oxidized to form an ultra-thin layer of alumina, which is then coated with a porous network-like gold film. A capacitor is formed between the gold film and the aluminum rod. Due to the water-absorbing properties of the alumina layer, the capacitance value changes depending on the amount of moisture in the sample gas. By measuring this capacitance value, it is possible to determine the humidity of the sample gas. The main advantage of this method is that its measurement range can be as low as -100°C; another notable advantage is its very fast response time – the response from dry to wet conditions can reach 90% within one minute – which makes it suitable for use in field and rapid measurement applications ; The disadvantage is poor accuracy, with an uncertainty of typically ±2 to 3°C. Severe aging and drift occur, requiring calibration after 3 to 6 months of use. Typical manufacturers of this method include the British company Alpha Humidity Instruments, the Irish company PANAMETRICS, and the American company XENTAUR. However, through the continuous efforts of various manufacturers, this method is gradually being improved; for example, the stability of sensors has been **enhanced** by changing materials and improving manufacturing processes, and saturation linearity has been achieved through compensation of the sensors’ response curves, thereby solving the issue of automatic calibration. The representative product is the EASYDEW series from British MICHELL, which uses aluminum oxide capacitors based on ceramic substrates and C2TX microprocessors. How to choose an instrument for editing this section: There are a wide variety of methods for measuring with dew point meters (humidity instruments), and their performance and prices vary greatly. This requires us to be careful when selecting such instruments; we need to take into account not only their performance and price but also the environment in which they will be used, as well as the type of gas being measured and its corrosiveness. The general principles are as follows: 1) **Humidity measurement standard: Given the need for high accuracy in measurements and the requirement for high-quality sample gas, it is advisable to use cold-mirror dew point meters, such as those from GE in the United States, the S4000TRS model from MICHELL in the UK, the M300 model from Edgetech in the United States, or the DP30 model from MBW in Switzerland. Users should select the appropriate product based on their actual measurement range and required precision.   2) Enterprise standards or laboratory analysis: If high measurement accuracy is required, cold mirror instruments can be used, such as the S4000 series from the British company MICHELL or the DP19 from the Swiss company MBW ; If lower temperature ranges are required (below -80°C dew point) and the gas is relatively clean, electrolytic instruments can be used, such as Edgetech’s 1-C from the United States and DuPont’s M303.   3) On-site testing: If high measurement accuracy is required, cold mirror method instruments can be used (as mentioned above) ; If a fast measurement speed or handling of highly polluted gases is required, it is best to use capacitive resistance-type instruments, such as those from the British company Systech, the SADPmini handheld dew point meter from the British company Alpha Humidity Instruments, or the XPDM from the American company XENTAUR.   Continuous online monitoring: If the accuracy requirements are not very high, capacitive resistance-based instruments can be used, such as the DS-1000 online dew point meter from British company Systech or Alpha Humidity Instruments, as well as the newer DS-2000 online dew point meter. There is also the XDT model from American company XENTAUR; all of these instruments feature low prices and easy installation and setup ; If higher precision is required, the 560B from AMETEK in the United States or cold-mirror instruments can be used. Edit this section: Appendix: Comparison table of some imported dew point meters available on the market. American company MEECO: AQUAVOLT dew point meter; Waterboy 2 portable humidity analyzer. Japanese company Shin-Etsu’s Dew Star series of dew point meters – operating range: -35 to +50°C, accuracy: ±0.2°C; relatively expensive, suitable for standard measurements. MBW company’s DP19 dew point meter. British company MICHELL: Easidew, which uses a ceramic-based resistive-capacitive method; operating range: -100 to +20°C, accuracy: ±2°C; relatively inexpensive, easy to use, suitable for laboratory or field use in intrinsically safe environments. Transmet: similar features, lower price, easy to use, suitable for laboratory or field use in intrinsically safe environments. Cemet II IS: similar features, moderate price, easy to use, suitable for laboratory or field use. Optidew Vision: uses a cold mirror method; operating range: -24 to +90°C, moderate price, suitable for standard relative humidity measurements. S4000 TRS: also uses a cold mirror method; operating range: -100 to +20°C, high price, suitable for low dew point measurements and standard measurements. American company GE: M3, M4 models, using a cold mirror method; operating range: -80 to +80°C, accuracy: ±0.15°C; high price, suitable for standard measurements. American company Edgetech: M300 model, using a cold mirror method; operating range: -75 to +75°C, accuracy: 0.15°C; high price, suitable for standard measurements. 2000 series: operating range: -50 to +80°C, high price, suitable for laboratory or field use. V-series: operating range: -50 to +80°C, relatively high price, suitable for online measurements. 1-C model: uses electrolytic method; measuring range: 0 to 500 ppm, accuracy: ±5%; relatively high price, suitable for laboratory or field use. Swiss company MBW: DP19 model, using a cold mirror method; operating range: -60 to +20°C, accuracy: ±0.2°C; expensive, suitable for laboratory or field use. DP30 model: operating range: -100 to +20°C, accuracy: ±0.1°C; expensive, suitable for standard measurements. American company DuPont: M303 model, using electrolytic method; measuring range: 0 to 1000 ppm, accuracy: ±5%; relatively high price, suitable for laboratory or field use. American company AMTEK: 560B model, using vibration frequency method; measuring range: 0 to 1000 ppm, accuracy: ±5%; relatively high price, suitable for online measurements. Irish company PANAMETRICS: SYSTE model, using resistive-capacitive method; operating range: -80 to 0°C, accuracy: ±3°C; moderate price, suitable for field measurements. American company Xautaur: XPDM model, using resistive-capacitive method; operating range: -100 to +20°C, accuracy: ±3°C; relatively high price, suitable for field or laboratory use as well as online measurements. Several issues to consider when using dew point meters: The impact of mirror contamination on dew point measurements. In dew point measurements, mirror contamination is a significant problem, and its effects are evident in two main aspects ; The first is the Raoult effect, and the second is changing the background radiation level of the mirror surface. The Raoult effect is caused by water-soluble substances. If the gas being tested contains such substances (usually soluble salts), condensation occurs on the mirror surface ahead of time, resulting in a positive deviation in the measurement results. If the pollutants are water-insoluble particles such as dust, they will increase the background scattering level, thereby causing a zero drift in the photoplethysmograph. Furthermore, the vapors of some substances that have a boiling point lower than that of water and are prone to condensation (such as organic compounds) will, needless to say, interfere with the measurement of the dew point. Therefore, any type of dew point meter should prevent contamination of the mirror surface. Generally speaking, the impact of pollution from industrial process gas analysis is quite severe. But even in the measurement of pure gases, mirror contamination accumulates over time. Selection of measurement conditions for dew point meters In the design of dew point meters, it is necessary to take into account all the factors that directly affect the heat and mass exchange during the dew formation process; this principle also applies to the selection of operating conditions for dew point meters with a lower level of automation. Here, the main topics discussed are the cooling rate of the mirror and the flow rate of the sample gas.   1. The temperature of the gas being measured is usually room temperature. Therefore, when air flow passes through the dew point chamber, it inevitably affects the heat and mass transfer processes in the system. With other conditions held constant, increasing the flow rate facilitates mass transfer between the airflow and the mirror surface. Especially when performing low frost point measurements, the flow rate should be increased appropriately to accelerate the formation of the dew layer; however, the flow rate must not be too high, as this could cause overheating problems. This is particularly evident in thermoelectric dew point meters with relatively low cooling power. Too high a flow rate can also cause the pressure in the dew point chamber to decrease, and this change in flow rate in turn affects the thermal equilibrium of the system. Therefore, it is necessary to select an appropriate flow rate in dew point measurement; the choice of flow rate should depend on the refrigeration method and the structure of the dew point chamber. The typical flow rate range is between 0.4 and 0.7 L·min-1. To reduce the influence of heat transfer, pre-cooling the gas to be measured before it enters the dew point chamber can be considered.   2. In dew point measurement, the control of the cooling rate of the mirror surface is an important issue; for automatic photoelectric dew point meters, this is determined by the design, whereas for dew point meters with manual cooling control, it is a matter related to operation. This is because there is a process involved in the heat conduction between the cooling point of the cold source, the temperature measurement point, and the mirror surface, as well as a certain temperature gradient. Therefore, thermal inertia will affect the process and speed of dew formation (frost), introducing errors into the measurement results. This situation varies depending on the type of temperature sensing element used. For example, due to structural reasons, the temperature gradient between the measurement point of the platinum resistance temperature sensor and the mirror surface is relatively large, and the heat conduction speed is slow as well; as a result, temperature measurement and dew detection cannot be carried out simultaneously. And it results in the thickness of the exposed layer being uncontrollable. This will result in a negative error for visual inspection.   3. Another issue is that too rapid a cooling rate may cause \"supercooling\". We know that under certain conditions, when water vapor reaches a saturated state, no liquid phase appears, or water does not freeze even at temperatures below zero; this phenomenon is known as supersaturation or \"supercooling\". In the case of dew (or frost) formation, this phenomenon is often caused by the gas being measured and the mirror surface being extremely clean, to the point where there are not enough condensation nuclei available. In experiments, Suomi found that if a surface is highly polished and its cleanliness meets chemical requirements, the temperature at which dew forms is several degrees lower than the actual dew point temperature. The supercooling phenomenon is brief, and its duration is related to the dew point or frost point temperature. This phenomenon can be observed under a microscope. One solution is to repeat the process of heating and cooling the mirror until this phenomenon disappears. Another solution is to directly use the vapor pressure data of supercooled water. And doing so precisely corresponds to the definition of relative humidity in meteorological systems when the temperature is below zero degrees.
Reply #92011-11-12
It is usually a dew point meter, but for the temperature increase and reduction process of the catalysts in our ammonia synthesis plant, we use the gravimetric method to measure the water vapor concentration
Reply #102011-11-13
When we were initially driving the equipment, the gravimetric method was also used for the temperature rise and reduction of the synthetic ammonia catalyst; later on, a dew point meter was employed. Can a dew point meter be used while driving originally? Does the ammonia content level impose any restrictions on the use of a dew point meter?

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