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Foreign-funded enterprises and state-owned enterprises

2012-04-02View Original

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I have five years of experience working in large state-owned enterprises, one year of experience in a small foreign company, and half a year of experience in a large foreign company. The small foreign company was acquired by a larger one; recently I’ve been extremely busy with the integration processes, and now I finally have some time to sit back and reflect on what I’ve gained and lost over these years. While working in a state-owned enterprise, I was involved in everything from the initial design stage, including process engineering, instrumentation, electrical systems, equipment selection, cost estimation, technical solutions, business negotiations, to on-site construction management. This experience allowed me to greatly improve my skills. Since state-owned enterprises are not subject to as many technical restrictions, they do not confine one to a narrow range of tasks. Whether it’s in the workshop, design department, sales team, or engineering section, as long as you are willing to learn and sincere about it, you will generally receive support from your colleagues. Moreover, in state-owned enterprises, relationships play an important role; if you help older colleagues with tasks that fall outside your own responsibilities, they will be happy to teach you. Although the relationships in such companies can be complex, it seems that the frontline employees, especially the older engineers, are usually kind-hearted. They may not share all their knowledge, but they will certainly give you as much information as they can. For newcomers, state-owned enterprises represent an excellent platform for personal growth – the key is to maintain the right attitude and know what you want. After joining a foreign company, since I was in the sales department and it was not a very large company, its organizational structure was relatively simple – each department had only a few people, and the department managers reported directly to foreigners. The products were average, but as sales of them in China were still in their infancy, I was able to make full use of my technical skills. Usually, I didn’t have to worry too much about procedural matters; I could focus solely on providing technical support. Although I was proficient in these technologies, it still took a lot of effort to understand the details of the products, as no one in China knew much about them. For many details, I had to turn to foreign colleagues for help. Due to my limited English skills, I faced some communication difficulties, but I gradually realized that it wasn’t necessary to worry about what the foreigners thought, as I was the one who understood the Chinese market best, so I could handle things based on my own experience. Looking back on this little over a year, most of my time was spent on researching product details, making selections and preparing quotes. As for the culture and processes of foreign companies, others took care of those aspects for me; I basically had no time nor the desire to learn about them. Since our products fell into the category of non-mainstream products, I gradually found myself falling behind the mainstream in this industry. Due to the change in my role, I stopped keeping in touch with many of my former colleagues, lost out on opportunities to engage in discussions and competition related to mainstream technologies, and had fewer chances to interact with clients such as design firms. As a result, I had no way of staying informed about the latest technological developments in this industry, and ultimately relied on my experience from working in state-owned enterprises. After realizing this issue, I tried to change jobs several times, but without success. To be honest, I’m not sure what role would suit me; my personality isn’t suitable for sales, especially since I can’t stand having to grovel in front of my junior colleagues. (Actually, I’m not yet desperate – when I run out of money, I guess I’ll be willing to do anything.) Working in a technical role still means doing unimportant work. I finally realized that there’s no future in being a technician in a foreign company’s sales department, and that salary increases are minimal over the course of a year. Moreover, in this type of job, if one doesn’t develop core competencies, it’s easy to end up failing. It was at that time that this small foreign company became tired of being under the control of a larger foreign company. Hearing this news, I don’t really think it’s a good thing. In fact, the reason I left my state-owned company was because I didn’t like complicated interpersonal relationships. Although this small foreign company is also a multinational with tens of thousands of employees, its management is relatively relaxed; I have flexible working hours and generally don’t have a strict concept of working hours. Aside from the challenges related to the products, I actually like the work environment quite a lot. But things are different after the acquisition; large foreign companies have very strict rules and regulations. There are many meetings and training sessions every day, and it seems that the relationships among colleagues have also changed. Many people with simpler ways of thinking have left, and those who remain feel a sense of crisis. What surprised me even more was that the foreigners in these large foreign companies actually have thinking patterns that are quite similar to those in state-owned enterprises – with bureaucratic structures, complicated procedures, excessive staff, and complex nepotistic relationships. Well, now I finally understand that culture and ideologies aren’t important at all; people share common traits. Now I’m overwhelmed by all kinds of procedures and meetings; I almost have to work until midnight every day, and I can’t be late for work either, because the top boss who was brought in from elsewhere is right next to me. I’m not as proactive at work as before either. The products remain the same, but the processes have become much more complicated. For even a quote on a order worth just a few thousand, one has to fill out numerous forms, go through many procedures, and wait for approval from many people. Thinking about it now, those who created these processes did so by considering only their own responsibilities and following the principle of avoiding any problems for themselves; they never considered the feelings of those who have to carry out these tasks, nor the impact this has on the company’s operations. Many people do jobs that may seem nice on the surface but are actually costly and of little value to the company, just to catch the boss’s attention, and these bosses actually fall for it. If that’s the reality, it’s better to stay in a state-owned enterprise. At least there is cultural alignment. Looking back now, there’s no chance left to switch to a state-owned enterprise. Large foreign companies are more or less the same, while smaller foreign companies usually don’t offer much better benefits. As for private enterprises, I haven’t considered them yet. Sometimes I think I won’t go back to my hometown to work making pancakes; one of my high school classmates is now the head of the local urban management team, and with his support, maybe I could find another opportunity.
Reply #22012-04-02
Thank you to the original poster for sharing their career experience. I am an undergraduate student preparing to pursue a master’s degree, and I’m wondering whether, after completing my studies, it would be better to work in state-owned enterprises or foreign companies in fields such as technology or design
Reply #32012-04-02
“When working in a state-owned enterprise, one was responsible for everything from the initial design, through process engineering, instrumentation, and electrical systems, to equipment selection, cost estimation, technical solutions, business negotiations, and on-site construction management. The person in question was really amazing – over those 5 years they handled tasks related to 6 different departments... a true all-rounder! ! Process, instrumentation, electrical equipment, business, on-site construction management........:L.
Reply #42012-04-02
From personal experience, I feel that my life isn’t as interesting as LZ’s. LZ graduated from TYST and is doing so well in a state-owned enterprise – why would they want to change jobs? Or have they ever regretted making such a switch? At work, I was able to get along well with my colleagues, but my supervisor kept putting obstacles in my way; not only would he prevent me from moving around, but he also found all sorts of reasons to criticize me. I really suffered under his treatment for several years. In a fit of anger, I left and joined a private company; things are okay for now, but sometimes I still miss the comfortable life I had in the state-owned company.
Reply #52012-04-02
Personally, I think going to a state-owned design institute is a good choice. However, if you are outgoing, energetic, versatile, and have a good command of English, you might want to consider working for a foreign company.
Reply #62012-04-02
It’s more or less the same for me: although I’ve only been working there for five years, I’ve had three different managers. The first two were great to work with, but the last one was an enemy of the previous ones and wasn’t familiar with our work either; he kept finding faults everywhere. Several good opportunities for a job transfer were blocked by him. In the end, like most of my predecessors, I went up to him, yelled at him, and then left. Looking back, I think I should have endured it, because if that job transfer opportunity had worked out, I would be doing well now. You never know what awaits you ahead; although I’m feeling a bit disappointed right now, if I keep a positive attitude and face things positively, at least I won’t end up in a terrible situation. That’s how I see it. I spoke on the phone with my former boss yesterday; it was just a bit sentimental.
Reply #72012-04-02
Those who leave our company are in high demand, as there’s nothing they haven’t experienced. In Xinjiang, I worked alongside a leader in his 50s digging cable trenches; the soil there was so hard that a pickaxe could only create a small hole when used. We had to strip cables, perform welding tasks, and stay by the equipment for two days and nights while dealing with the project owner. I couldn’t go home for half a year. Now I work for a foreign company, and seeing many young women who have graduated just a few years ago working as AE professionals, I realize that unless you’ve been to hell, you can’t understand what it’s like. The people we work with are in hell.
Reply #82012-04-03
This post was last edited by 19751107w on 2012-4-3 at 10:41. Hehe, exposure and mastery are two different concepts... I have been to Xinjiang; I’ve been to both southern and northern Xinjiang, as well as the Mu Us Desert in Inner Mongolia. Places where people can go and live aren’t considered hell – they’re just tough! But I have always only focused on my own specialty, having only a basic understanding of the fields related to my work. To excel in a profession, it’s by no means simple to have just 3-4 years to work on it~~ It might be difficult to change fields within an engineering design firm, and frequent changes bring no benefits at all! May I ask what company you are? Why dig the cables by hand?
Reply #92012-04-03
State-owned enterprise management can actually be quite good; the management of private enterprises or even listed companies is more or less the same, and in many aspects they are inferior to state-owned enterprises, with lower execution capabilities and efficiency as well. From what the original poster says, foreign companies aren’t that great either.
Reply #102012-04-25
State-owned design institutes might be better, but state-owned construction companies are definitely not good enough

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