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How can sodium formate be separated from strong bases?

2023-09-24View Original

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How can formic acid be separated from solutions with an alkalinity of over 30%? Experts, please give me some advice. Thank you! How does the solubility of sodium formate change in alkaline solutions?
Reply #22023-09-24
First, it is necessary to understand that sodium formate is a salt formed by the reaction of formic acid and sodium hydroxide. In a strong alkaline environment, formic acid is neutralized by the hydroxide ions in sodium hydroxide, producing formate ions and water; the formate ions then combine with sodium ions to form sodium formate. Regarding the solubility of sodium formate in alkaline solutions, generally speaking, when water is used as the solvent, its solubility increases as the temperature rises. However, in alkaline solutions, since formate ions readily react with hydroxide ions to form water and carbon dioxide, the solubility of sodium formate may decrease as the alkalinity increases. One possible method for separating formic acid sodium is to utilize the properties of its acidic salt. A simple way is to acidify the solution by adjusting the pH value. In this way, sodium formate is converted into formic acid, which then volatilizes as the solution becomes more acidic. You can collect formic acid by collecting and condensing these vapors. It should be noted that this method may need to be carried out in a laboratory environment with proper ventilation and safety equipment, as formic acid vapor is irritating to the eyes and respiratory system. This is just a basic suggestion; specific experimental conditions (such as temperature, pressure, the type and concentration of the acid used, etc.) may need further optimization to improve the efficiency of formic acid collection. I hope this answer can help you. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. .
Reply #32023-09-25
Sodium formate is separated by cold crystallization; its solubility in alkaline solutions varies with temperature
Reply #42023-09-25
This post was last edited by qugd on 2023-9-25 09:37. You may not have noticed the true meaning of the original post by the author; do you know what it means when there is more than 30% strong alkali? If it is sodium hydroxide, then the amount in moles is 7 moles or more; if it is soda ash, the concentration is 3 moles. This must be a concentrated alkali solution produced by some manufacturing process or prepared for a certain purpose. If you use acid neutralization to separate the formic acid salt from it, have you calculated how much acid will be required? Additionally, for this separation method you mentioned, sodium formate needs to be converted into volatile formic acid, which requires the system to become strongly acidic; so what is the proportion of excess acid in the system? How much sodium hydroxide is required to neutralize the vaporized formic acid back into sodium formate? You may understand chemistry, but you definitely don’t understand chemical engineering.
Reply #52023-09-25
This post was last edited by qugd on 2023-9-27 09:18. First of all, how did you come up with this strong alkaline system? What is the concentration of sodium formate in the solution? It’s also best to provide more details about the issue, so that others can help you. If the content of sodium formate is trace, it is best not to attempt to separate it. As long as the use of the concentrated alkali solution is not affected, sodium formate can be converted into another form that does not interfere with the process; for example, it can be oxidized to sodium carbonate using an appropriate oxidant. Separating the non-volatile weak bases from the concentrated alkali is extremely difficult from a technical standpoint, and the cost involved is quite high. Instead of attempting such separation, it is better to convert the substance into a form that is acceptable.
Reply #62023-10-15
It depends on whether it’s a problem of chemical separation or a chemical process that requires large-scale separation; otherwise, it’s impossible to give you the answer you’re looking for.
Reply #72023-11-01
The mass content of formic acid in the system shall not exceed 3%, as its solubility in sodium hydroxide solutions with a mass content of over 30% is low. The formic acid in the system is formed from the disproportionation of formaldehyde into methanol and formic acid; under alkaline conditions, it turns into sodium formate.
Reply #82023-11-01
Formate ions readily react with hydroxide ions in alkaline solutions to form water and carbon dioxide? Is there a theoretical basis? The mass content of sodium hydroxide in the system is over 30%. It involves adding an excess of sodium hydroxide with a mass content of 37% to a formaldehyde solution, whose formaldehyde content is around 0.7%. Finally, sodium formate was produced. At this point, the alkalinity of the system drops to around 15%-20%.

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