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What would you do if you worked at such a design firm?

2015-06-23View Original

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This post was last edited by A few characters on 2015-6-23 at 15:49. Since this design firm is small, the design projects it undertakes are not large-scale; however, the deadline for each project is extremely tight, and it is constantly under pressure from the clients. The firm works on whatever project the clients are pushing for first. Gradually, this pace of work became a tradition. Take a project as an example. After the project was signed, work on the design began. The four specialties of process, system, layout, and piping were all completed by the same person; hence, they are all referred to as the process specialty. The company does not have a specialized department for equipment; it is the process engineering department that selects and determines the appropriate equipment and complete sets of equipment. All information related to the equipment is compiled in a single equipment list, which is extremely basic and lacks many details. The company’s automation department is only involved in tasks related to telecommunications, such as telephone systems and surveillance. The automatic control of the process system is left to the equipment supplier. Anyway, all the equipment is standardized and comes as complete sets. Self-control has also been provided by the equipment manufacturers. The process engineering department creates conditions for downstream departments; there is no condition table. The conditions are specified by indicating them on the layout diagram, along with a list of equipment and a general conditions table (in the form of a few paragraphs written in a blank Word document). You might not be able to imagine what it looks like to mark the requirements of various specialties on a layout diagram. I think this approach to design is somewhat similar to architectural design, with the focus mainly on layout and piping aspects. In other words, there is almost no content related to processes and systems engineering. Let’s talk about the finished product. At the construction drawing stage, the finished documents for the process and system disciplines are only the following five: drawing index, design specifications, PID (with very few, almost no, control points; it is more advanced than PFD but still far from being as sophisticated as PID), and equipment layout diagram (since almost all equipment is located on the floor or ground levels, only one floor elevation is indicated; occasionally, steel platforms are marked separately). None of the equipment has pre-installed bolts; all holes are drilled on site. ), equipment list. I have reservations about whether the equipment layout diagram is a finished product of the process or systems discipline. None of these finished products come with a data sheet for special valves and piping accessories; there are some special valves and piping accessories on the PID, but no tag numbers, let alone data sheets for those items. Without a data table, how can the owner make purchases? Furthermore, individuals have reservations regarding the installation locations of these special valves and pipe fittings, as they often say that it should be the construction party to handle it, as they will make the necessary adjustments. The finished documents for the piping discipline in the construction drawings include: a list of drawings, design specifications, piping diagrams (where the exact positions of the pipes are not indicated; only approximate positions are shown for the contractor to adjust on-site), axonometric drawings (drawn manually, without any regard for scale; legends for pipes and fittings use PID legends), a table of pipe properties (which, in my opinion, should be part of the drawings related to processes and systems), a table of materials for each pipe section (all branch connections are made using tees, as there is no table specifying branch pipes in the design), a table regarding anti-corrosion and insulation measures, and a comprehensive material list. No support frames were designed; there is no table detailing them (the designers said that the contractors would take care of it). No information regarding support frames is included in the piping diagrams either – only a few brief mentions of them can be found in the design specifications. There is no diagram showing the orientation of the equipment outlets (the designers said that the contractors will determine their orientation based on the equipment on site). Indeed, the piping diagram only shows the pipes connected to the equipment, without indicating which specific pipe ports they are connected to). There are no majors in piping technology or piping machinery. There are even no finished products for these two majors. Everyone is* used to shoddy work just to get by; thinking about it makes me feel... . .
Reply #22015-06-23
Dude, just get used to it – this is an era where one has to keep finding work; as long as you can get work, who cares if you’re capable or not.
Reply #32015-06-23
It looks really cheap and shoddy. . . Is it really okay to do this? Won’t there be an accident? . . Won’t the on-site construction team work with the design representative? . . .
Reply #42015-06-23
Many small design firms are like this; as mentioned above, it’s already good enough if they can get any projects at all. To put it simply, many small projects can be built even without a design; designing them is mainly used for completing the necessary procedures. Alas! However, this situation is extremely detrimental to the growth of designers!
Reply #52015-06-23
So, for the approval and review of these small projects, how are the drawings prepared? Isn’t there a risk of problems arising?
Reply #62015-06-23
The drawing requirements are high in the four areas of architecture, structure, plumbing, and electrical systems. The drawings related to the process, if they reach the design depth required for the special section on safety facility design, will meet the review requirements.
Reply #72015-06-24
I work on project sites, and I find that some of them are very well-organized, which allows me to learn a lot. Some sites are in a complete mess; it’s pure laziness. The incomes are all the same.
Reply #82015-06-24
At first, there’s more to learn, but if it’s not systematic, the more complex the tasks become, the more chaotic things get; it also causes confusion in one’s approach to design. It seems that our institute has a more structured approach. . .
Reply #92015-06-24
Do you know...?????
Reply #102015-06-24
It’s the same pace everywhere; one has to learn to adapt.
Reply #112015-06-24
Stay calm; this is just the current market situation. Those who are capable should do more work…… and those who aren’t should learn to do more. . . I just............

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