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Judgment on the positive and negative effects of the flow control regulator

2016-10-19View Original

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Let’s first talk about how I made my judgment; everyone, please share if you have any different opinions. PV: Measured value; SP: Set value; OP: Output. 1. When PV > SP, OP increases as a result ; When PV > SP, OP decreases, which is a reaction. (Note: The positive and negative action of the regulator has nothing to do with whether the valve is open-air or closed-air.) The air-on/air-off setting is related only to the DCS output channel configuration; for air-on valves, the DCS output channel is configured in forward mode, with 0% corresponding to 4 mA ; If it is a gas shut-off valve, the configuration should be set to reverse mode, with 100% corresponding to 4 mA. 2. I don’t know how others make their decisions, but following the first method for configuring the forward/reverse operation of the DCS control circuit generally works every time; disagreements only arise in the case of flow control circuits. According to the first rule, when traffic PV > SP, the valve must be closed, which means OP decreases; therefore, it is definitely a reactive effect. But as a result, all the flow regulators are operating in reverse, which makes me feel uneasy.
Reply #22016-10-19
Isn’t it obvious as long as the loop forms negative feedback?
Reply #32016-10-20
“When the traffic PV is greater than SP, the valve must be closed, which means OP decreases; therefore, it is definitely a reactive effect. ”This statement is not accurate; when the flow rate PV is greater than SP, the valve closes. However, OP does not necessarily decrease – it depends on whether you choose an electrically open-type or electrically closed-type valve, or a pneumatically open-type (pneumatically closed-type) valve. Therefore, both positive and negative reactions are possible.
Reply #42016-10-20
1 PID module: When the error (PV-SP) increases, the PID output is in direct mode; when the error (PV-SP) decreases, the PID output is in reverse mode. 2 AO module: 4mA-20mA corresponds to 0%-100% in direct mode, and 4mA-20mA corresponds to 100%-0% in reverse mode. 3 If you change the AO operation mode to reverse, then the flow control PID module can also be set to direct mode, which will give you more confidence: lol 4 I think as long as the valve is fully open when OP is at 100% and fully closed when OP is at 0%, it doesn’t matter what the direction of operation is
Reply #52016-10-20
Determination of the forward and reverse action of the regulator in a single-parameter control system: (1) It is assumed that a gas-open control valve is “+A”, while a gas-close valve is “-A””; (2) When the control valve is opened, the controlled parameter increases to “+B”; when it decreases to “-B”, then AB=“+”, and the regulator is set with reverse action ; AB=“——” indicates a positive action of the regulator.
Reply #62016-10-20
In a cascade control system, the operation mode of the secondary regulator is the same as that of the selection method in a simple control system; The operating mode of the main regulator can be determined as follows: when the primary and secondary variables increase (or decrease), if the direction of action of the control valve is the same, the main regulator should be selected with a \"reverse\" action ; Otherwise, select “Positive: Effect.”
Reply #72016-10-21
You’re right; that’s how I judge it as well. Flow regulation is always reactive, that’s correct.
Reply #82016-10-21
Use the on-air and off-air configurations of DCS for output; when configuring the regulator’s direct or reverse action, it can be considered as follows: if the input increases, the output should also increase, which is direct action, while if the input decreases, the output should decrease, which is reverse action. If it is a single regulator, then consideration must be given to air-on and air-off functions. I’ve never worked with PLCs, so I’m not sure if there are preset parameters for air-on/Air-off mode.
Reply #92016-10-21
A PLC combined with a PID module can be used for control; it’s essentially a regulator, and the principle is the same – there is an option to choose between positive and negative feedback...
Reply #102016-10-21
Find a book on self-control to read; whatever is discussed there are all mature techniques.

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