Regarding the conflict between compliance and necessity in the setup of the on-site control room, and the issue of whether to retain the toilets
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As titled: 1. According to the latest version of the fire protection codes, such as 50016 or 50160, or any other code, which provision prohibits the installation of on-site control rooms? What is the purpose of the experts’ inclusion of this requirement for unattended operation? 2. If the on-site control room is eliminated, where should the on-site operation area be located in terms of design? Where are the daily tools (wrenches, pipe wrenches, walkie-talkies, alarms, etc.) kept? Drink outside in the northwest wind at -30° in winter? Do you get wet in the rain outside on rainy days? 3. In terms of the timeliness of accident handling, it is necessary to have someone on site; this can at least increase the sense of responsibility among the people present. 4. People have urgent needs, so how are such needs as going to the bathroom addressed when working outside the site? How to solve the toilet problem? What are some practices that are both compliant and practical? After all, it’s people-oriented, and it’s already difficult to find workers in the petrochemical industry
1. Indeed, there is no regulation explicitly stating that it is strictly prohibited to set up on-site operation rooms； 2. When an operator-controlled control room or similar is to be installed, an explosion safety assessment must be conducted, and based on the results of this assessment, the structural design of the building is determined ； 3. For daily tools, tool rooms can be set up ； 4. Toilets are considered important facilities; after all, they’re made of bricks, hehe
Toilets are generally not provided on-site, and those working outdoors are not there 24 hours a day.
Most of these people nowadays are clueless individuals with no actual work experience; they misinterpret regulations and make assumptions in a mechanical manner. There’s nothing we can do about it, since they’ve got supervisors who know even less backing them up
Moving from one extreme to another
Experts – whose experts are they, and which organization do they represent? Can you afford to confront them? If you can, then you’re in compliance: lol. There’s no need to discuss the rest, right?:) You’re lucky enough that you didn’t have to use those devices… These days, there’s an overload of excessive design requirements and demands everywhere. Regulatory authorities that lack expertise in technical matters turn to large companies for so-called “experts”; whether those individuals are truly experts or not is another matter.
This post was last edited by sun_fm on 2023-12-20 08:51. 1. According to the latest version of the fire protection codes, such as 50016 or 50160, or any other relevant codes, which provision prohibits the installation of outdoor control rooms? What is the purpose of the experts’ inclusion of this requirement for unattended operation? Answer: These two specifications do not strictly prohibit the installation of outdoor operation rooms. Unmanned operation is primarily aimed at ensuring personnel safety; this stems from the relevant requirements outlined in GB/T 50779 (regarding personnel, control systems, and critical facilities), as well as the associated explosion-proofing requirements. It is also somewhat related to the concepts of mechanization (replacing humans with machines), automation (reducing the need for human intervention), and intelligence (achieving unmanned operation). 2. If the on-site control room is eliminated, then what location should be considered for carrying out on-site operations in terms of design? Where are the daily tools (wrenches, pipe wrenches, walkie-talkies, alarms, etc.) kept? Drink outside in the northwest wind at -30° in winter? Do you get wet in the rain outside on rainy days? Answer: Blast-resistant buildings can be built separately for use as duty rooms, tool rooms, etc. But it is still recommended to set up an on-site control room (an outdoor operation room will suffice; an indoor operation room is not necessary). 3. In terms of the timeliness of accident handling, it is necessary to have someone on site, as this can at least increase the sense of responsibility among the personnel there. Answer: Well, I’m not sure how to say this… There are very few people working at large petrochemical and chemical plants. If on-site supervision is indeed required for the project, then it needs to be taken into account when planning the buildings in the overall layout. 4. People have urgent physiological needs – how will such needs be met outside the site? How to solve the toilet problem? What are some practices that are both compliant and practical? Answer: If there are many people working outdoors, it is necessary to provide toilets. However, in blast-resistant buildings, it is not recommended to have toilets due to requirements related to ventilation and septic systems. It is also possible to consider setting up toilets separately within the factory premises (this is generally not done)