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Centrifugal compressor: When operating at full load, if the anti-surge valve opens suddenly and the speed cannot be reduced fast enough, what damage can this cause to the unit?

2017-05-19View Original

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The centrifugal compressor of the unit has a remote fault; currently, a synchronizer is being used to increase the speed and maintain operation. Question: During normal operation, if the anti-surge valve suddenly opens, and the speed is being controlled by a synchronizer, it is not possible to reduce the speed promptly. May I ask: What harm does running in this way cause to the unit? Thank you first!
Reply #22017-05-19
In other words, the excitation cannot be automatically controlled?
Reply #32017-05-19
It’s not excitation; it’s the centrifugal compressor suddenly losing load, and its speed cannot be reduced when a speed setpoint is specified (in manual mode).
Reply #42017-05-20
Damage to the unit can occur; damage to the bearing shells or problems with the rotor oil seals can all lead to the unit needing to be scrapped
Reply #52017-05-20
The compressor has an overspeed protection, right? The first bearing will be damaged due to excessive rotational speed, which leads to an increase in temperature and a reduction in the thickness of the oil film; as a result, the bearing is damaged, and the shaft is also damaged.
Reply #62017-05-21
Why does this happen (just a sudden load rejection, with the oil system functioning properly, and mechanical and electronic overspeed protections in place)? Could you explain the reasons in detail?
Reply #72017-05-21
Our system is independent and uses floating ring sealing. The unit is equipped with electronic and mechanical overspeed protection; in the event of a sudden load loss, I believe it would cause an overspeed shutdown. Since lubrication is not interrupted, the damage to the bearings should not be that severe.
Reply #82017-05-21
Our system is independent and uses floating ring sealing. The unit is equipped with electronic and mechanical overspeed protection; in the event of a sudden load loss, I believe it would cause an overspeed shutdown. Since lubrication is not interrupted, the damage to the bearings should not be that severe.
Reply #92017-05-21
As long as there is protection, there’s no need to worry; generally, a speed excess of 10% has no impact on the engine unit.
Reply #102017-05-22
Firstly, I believe that suddenly releasing the load without reducing the speed does no harm to the compressor itself. However, it is necessary to analyze the reason why the anti-surge valve opened fully suddenly; it may be that the surge protection was triggered. Operation at a constant speed, especially at high speeds, brings the compressor’s operating point close to the surge control line; fluctuations in flow rate can cause the compressor to surge, thereby causing damage to the unit. Suggestions: 1. Fix the remote transmission issue as soon as possible ; 2. The compressor is currently in manual mode; it is recommended to reduce the speed and increase the opening degree of the anti-surge valve, so that the compressor’s operating point remains within the safe range. Also, what process is your compressor used in?
Reply #112017-05-22
Surge is generally caused by high pressure and low pressure, as well as an insufficient rotation speed; increasing the rotation speed can prevent surge.

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