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Butt joint of elliptical head and cylinder

2016-03-06View Original

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This post was last edited by niuchangsheng on 2016-3-8 at 22:28. I have just completed the design of a gas storage tank, with a design pressure of 4.4 MPa, an inner diameter of 1200 mm. The head is made of Q345R steel with a thickness of 18 mm, while the cylinder body is made of Q345R steel with a thickness of 16 mm. For the butt welds, I used an internal alignment; however, the review engineer suggested using external alignment, stating that it makes things easier in the workshop. For boilers, we often use external alignment for butt welds, but the boiler drawings do not specify a minimum formation thickness. In the case of containers, I think it’s necessary to be more precise, especially since the reference point is clearly defined as the inner diameter, and the minimum formation thickness is specified for the head as well. Since the inner diameter remains constant, if we switch to external alignment, would my cylinder body also require an additional dimension corresponding to the minimum formation thickness? Also, the head isn’t thinned in all areas; the end faces might even become thicker (I haven’t seen it in person, it was what the review engineer said). I can’t specify the dimensions of this cylinder from the drawings. Simply put, the measurements are determined on-site during manufacturing, and I’m too embarrassed to say anything about it, but I still insist that my drawings remain unchanged. I’d also like to hear everyone’s opinions here. Have you all encountered this situation as well? How did you handle it? Thank you all for sharing your insights! Additional note: The company has available Q345R steel plates in three thicknesses – 16, 18, and 20 millimeters. However, none of these thicknesses is sufficient to construct the entire container. After calculations, it was determined that plates with a thickness of 16 millimeters can be used for the cylinder section, as their strength meets the requirements. In theory, 16-millimeter thick plates could also be used for the end caps, but considering the minimum required thickness for proper forming, plates with a thickness of 18 millimeters must be used. I’m currently going through all these diagrams, and no one has anything more to say about this issue. By using the one-month break during the New Year to work on these diagrams slowly, my efforts weren’t in vain.
Reply #22016-03-06
During design, we generally make the nominal thickness of the cylinder equal to that of the head, unless the difference in thickness is significant, such as in the case of spherical heads. For this one, I guess he’s considering the aesthetic appearance.
Reply #32016-03-06
External alignment is for the appearance, making the work easier to carry out. We generally also try to choose a sample with a certain thickness, but containers have a minimum forming thickness as well.
Reply #42016-03-06
The drawing cannot be changed; a manufacturing process can be developed to ensure external alignment, and this can be lofted! 2mm is not very big!
Reply #52016-03-06
We all align by the standard, based on the inner diameter. The calculation sheets are consistent as well. If the outer diameters are aligned, the inner diameter stated in the head calculation sheet will differ from that of the cylinder, resulting in a sudden change in stress and causing stress concentration issues.
Reply #62016-03-07
In our company’s workshops, the material for the tube sections is selected based on the dimensions of the end caps
Reply #72016-03-07
It seems that this is what everyone does; we purchase the end caps externally, and once they pass the inspection, they are installed before we start rolling out the cylinder sections using those end caps
Reply #82016-03-07
What should I do according to the drawings? Note: Cut to actual size? How to calculate it? Doing this is not standard practice.
Reply #92016-03-08
Support the OP’s view......

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